AIBU to be fed up with all the Keir Starmer threads

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It's giving me flashbacks to 2016 when there were about 20 threads a day saying nonsense like, "AIBU to be concerned about the EU's plans to conscript everyone into an EU wide army?"

Just put a sock in it, already.

Wait until the train drivers, junior doctors and teachers all get shit pay rises this year. The folly of appeasing means no one remembers last year.

I don't think there have been any particularly likeable prime ministers in my lifetime. What an odd comment. 😆

It's idiotic though, many said this pre GE - and got the typical Labour backlash. Why so hopeless to not get how tax impacts behaviour

It's low level learning stuff

It really is.

Reeves is clearly out of her depth - its evidently not just me who thinks so - here are some comments from the BBC and FT (curiously the Guardian doesn’t seem to be running this story).

BBC
Ms Reeves - Please just resign. Then we can turn to all your other mistakes…..farmers IHT, ludicrous NIC increase, business property relief reductions, private (not public sector) pensions into IHT ……the list goes on and on.
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FT
‘While its always entertaining to see socialist nonsense colliding with reality, much of the damage of these vindictive measures has already been done. Many, many of the wealthy individuals who on average paid around £400,000 in income tax per annum, spent billions in the UK and were responsible for the creation of thousands of jobs have left and will not be coming back. But at least the lunatics who vote Labour will have had their spite sated.‘

Anyway, one gets the point, I hope.

Edit: the Guardian is, but no comments allowed.

Guardian

Business leaders plan to cut costs and rein in hiring in response to government tax increases set out in the autumn budget, with employment expectations taking the sharpest tumble since the start of the coronavirus pandemic.
A net two-thirds of finance directors said they did not expect to increase hiring levels this year, a four-year high, with a net 26% feeling more pessimistic about the prospects for their business than three months ago, the first time sentiment had slipped into negative territory in 18 months, according to the latest survey by the accountancy firm Deloitte.

More than half of finance directors rated cutting costs as their top priority – something that has not changed in almost a year. They said this would be their main response to increased national insurance costs for employers followed by raising productivity and then higher prices for customers.

BRILLIANT.

That poll was done in September, just 2 months after the election. I might well have said “yes, I’m satisfied, at that point”. I’m certainly not now!

The December poll has the figure at 70%!

www.ipsos.com/en-uk/dissatisfaction-starmer-reaches-61-his-highest-labour-leader

My party? Rather presumptuous. I’m not wedded to any party and I didn’t vote for either of them 😂 As for painful, yes, it will be for the low and middle paid, no doubt about it as taxes rise and job losses increase. I’ll raise a glass to you all 🥂

I think he’s a breath of fresh air and would vote Labour again if there were an election today.

Err…. surprise surprise - cutting costs is always top of any Finance Director’s list, scarcely a novelty, and certainly not in recent history.

A very weak post from you.

Please re-read the Guardian piece.

the coverage is of a Deloitte survey son not un partisan. The point is surely that no one says we are in a good place but really would we have been in a better place with those good for nothing scoundrels still in government? We need to have a bit of a reset. Thanks for marking my post btw, are you a teacher? I suspect not..

’No one says we are in a good place’
We agree, at last.

Labour are, however, making matters, much, much worse. I will continue pasting media pieces in support of this assertion.

No, I am not a teacher - I am in finance, and generally speak of issues where I have direct knowledge (unlike others, evidently). Please feel free to ask me questions where you have a knowledge gap, and I would be happy to help.

Please advise your professional background, so I can do similarly, thanks.

For info.

UK consumer confidence fell sharply in January to the lowest level in more than a year as a spike in government borrowing costs and warnings of job cuts took a toll on economic sentiment. The GfK consumer confidence index — a measure of how people view their personal finances and broader economic prospects — fell 5 points to minus 22, the lowest reading since the end of 2023, according to new data.
FT

It’s depressing that those championing Labour seem to be die-hard partisans who see the world in childish “goodie” and “baddie” way… with their side being supremely righteous and competent by definition, with anyone who dissents being a minion of the evil “far-right”. There doesn’t seem to be any capacity for nuance or self-reflection… It’s a one-way ticket to national decay, and then electoral oblivion in 4 years.

I'm interested to hear your nuanced non partisan take on things.

So anyone who dares to be disappointed with the current Government should just leave… One thing I’ve realised over the last few years, is that many on the supposedly liberal and tolerant left are every bit as authoritarian and intolerant as those on the far-right, often more so.

70% are dissatisfied. It’s odd that some posters go on about ‘bots’ when only 30% agree with them on how well he’s doing

Mnhq just delete those posts now, finally.

No, it's just stop the incessant whining and behaving like a cheap version of the Sun.

The current govt have had 6 months to clear up the crap that they'd been handed. The world has moved on in that 6 months and you expect a miracle.

I really don't know what people like you expect

You’re in a minority who think he’s going well. You’ll just have to get used to views different to yours.

Saw that ES - rightly so.

When the only argument posters have left to fall back on, is to accuse others of being ‘bots’, they really are scraping the barrel.

I just love the hoary old ‘six months’ argument.

The negative data is coming thick and fast now - you want to wait another six months, really?

Many cannot afford that luxury.

I voted Labour. I really wanted them to succeed, as i want a better and more prosperous and flourishing country for me and my children.

However, I didn’t vote for them with any great enthusiasm. People were yearning for something fresh and different, and accepted that what we had was broken and needed a reset. I wished Labour had responded to that feeling, and been bold and visionary. Yet, they didn’t… They were
cowards, and allowed the Tories to tie them into a straight-jacket as they bent over backwards to say how little they would actually change. Their message was basically an incredibly bland “vote for us… we’ll be more competent than the current lot”. There were no big ideas, no acceptance that we needed whole scale change, no particular vision other than trite sound bites. This was why they got far fewer votes than Corbyn in 2019 in my mind - despite winning - and believe me, I am no Corbynite! Yet I voted for them, hoping my pessimism was misplaced.

But it sadly seems it wasn’t, and we’re reaping what we’ve sown… a Government who had 14 years to prepare, but were so absorbed with the pursuit of power for its own sake, they don’t seem to really have a clue on what to do now they actually have got it. There has been none of the energy and passion of Labour in 1997… I know things don’t happen overnight, but it feels like nothing is happening apart the day-to-day political routine. Where’s the plan? Where’s the action? Where’s the vision? There just seem to be mis-step after mis-step.

It’s less than 30% who are satisfied… there are quite a few don’t knows!

Do you think the press has anything to do with how you perceive them? You don't seem to know everything they've done or are planning to do.

Blair made an agreement with Murdoch and had a much more favourable press. We were in the EU and the economy was in a much better state. Public services were better, there wasn't a housing crisis and he hadn't opened the floodgates.

I'm wondering what your take on the budget would be. If you don't agree with how Labour have chosen to raise money, what do you think they should have done?

You’re missing the point. I didn’t expect - as most people didn’t - Labour to turn the UK into a utopia in six months. We knew it was a long-term project. It’s that so much of what they have done so far is to actively make things worse… and they don’t really have a vision or plan to speak of. I deal with government policy as part of my job, and they have been less competent than the last lot so far (with the possible exception of the Truss debacle!)