AIBU to be fed up with all the Keir Starmer threads

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It's giving me flashbacks to 2016 when there were about 20 threads a day saying nonsense like, "AIBU to be concerned about the EU's plans to conscript everyone into an EU wide army?"

Just put a sock in it, already.

What there seems to be in the many threads is that the standards Keir Starmer is being judged on are far higher than those the Tories were, especially between 2019 and 2024.

I recognise their failures or bad decisions, and that more people voted for 'third' parties (Lib Dem, Reform or Green) than Labour. However, I will not forget how bad the last few years of the Tory governments were. As I have said on other threads, I don't forget that as with Charles I, the Tories under Boris Johnson illegally suspended Parliament.

Really not sure what aspects of Labour make them 💯 better than the Tories. I can’t see anything positive so far from them… At least in 1997 they hit the ground running, and did stuff. I don’t see anything tangible from this lot; apart from removing winter fuel allowance and taxing business!

Brexit has finished us off. I know European economies are suffering too but they have more options than we do now having boxed ourselves into a brexity corner. Farage is as least partly to blame for it.

Hear, hear.

Notice noone’s posted about Ange lately…

I think labour are doing great.

Our alternative is a lurch to the far right.

I think anyone who is politically slightly right leaning all the way through to far left should rally behind our current government to prevent the shitshow that is happening in the US from happening here.

Trumps puppet master, Musk did a fucking nazi salute for fucks sake.

How exactly are Labour doing great?

And no, the only alternative isn’t the far-right. There are lots of things Labour could do that I think would be good for the country that are neither far-right nor far-left.

Trying to scare people into rallying behind Labour won’t work. If Labour want to succeed and then win the next election, they need to present a positive vision and deliver real tangible results. One of the reasons Remain lost was because it was incessant negative about the prospects of leaving rather than being positive about the benefits of remaining.

I do feel like many of the posts do have a bot-like tone. They’re short, pithy, using some sloganeering (‘Rachel from accounts’ 🫠 which is sexiest as hell).

Mn are clever, funny vipers and can do a much better takedown of Labour than the current crop of OPs. That’s why I think they are bots, personally.

Luckily mnhq are deleting, suspending or banning posters who go on about others being bots

So keep going and you might find Blue Sky after all

If the Tories managed to last 14 years I think the chances of Starmer not serving a full term are next to zero tbh.

I think labour are doing great.
On what basis? Growth and inflation indices are performing poorly compared to the trajectory we had begun to see before they came to power; teacher training figures are down 8% and no policy on actually how to improve education (just thousands already on the state school waiting lists and SEN budgets blown); I could go on.

Our alternative is a lurch to the far right.
it’s not an ‘alternative’ - there are other parties besides Reform and any Rightward shift is ALWAYS driven by extreme L-wing policy, as we are seeing in the US, and have been observing all over Europe for the last few years. The way to prevent the lurch is for the Left to wind their bloody necks in and make efforts to build bridges between disparate and conflicting demographics within society. You know, like government is supposed to do? Represent ALL of its electorate.

I think anyone who is politically slightly right leaning all the way through to far left should rally behind our current government to prevent the shitshow that is happening in the US from happening here.

The way to stop what has happened in the US from happening here it for the Labout government to learn from the mistakes of the Democrats (see previous point). They need to listen to the electorate and the numerous think tanks that they invest millions into in consultancy fees, and they need to listen to businesses, health and education leaders to make decisions on sound evidence bases, not ideological ones. If we end up where the US is, it’ll be because Labour have done exactly what the Democrats did.

Trumps puppet master,
People seem to muddle trump the man with Trump as the face of the presidential office - ie they truly do not understand the Americal political system at all. The President is a figure head. He has very little personal power. His EOs etc will have been drafted by a committee of experts, not him, the policies devised by a team in the ‘Presidential Office’. The president has always been a puppet of the party. Always.

Musk did a fucking nazi salute for fucks sake.

Not he fucking didn’t. Anymore than identical pictures of Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren can be construed as nazi salutes. Are we no longer allowed to wave anymore? That said, I do think Elon is a crazy fucker.

I think that's what they call word salad.

Not he fucking didn’t. Anymore than identical pictures of Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren can be construed as nazi salutes. Are we no longer allowed to wave anymore? That said, I do think Elon is a crazy fucker.

Yes, he did. The photos of kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren were taken from videos of them waving, pointing and gesticulating during speeches. Musk did a very clear, emphatic and deliberate nazi salute immediately following the end of his speech.

I do have to wonder about the reasons why someone might wish to deny what musk did and what it says about them.

Resorting to calling people who disagree with you a Nazi. How refreshing.

People are very short-termist these days and need instant gratification. If things don't get better overnight they complain. The government are making long term decisions. We'll see where we are in 5 years.

Agree.

Most of them sound fake too.

I have observed since 2016 and the Cambridge Analytica debacle, that conservatism as a political entity seems to rely a lot on disinformation and general lies and slander (and not just in the UK).

We all know politicians don't exactly shine for their absolute honesty, but this is getting ridiculous. And insulting to the ordinary person in the street (aka the people they hope will vote them next time round).

It is a bit boring. The people who keep making them could stand to be more interesting.

Hardly helpful.

All this stuff about ‘fake’ is pretty much ignoring what many are saying. A poll today put Labour in third

So yeh Labour will have to get used to seeing other views on a public site.

Although I don’t mind if pp try they might find other sites after all

Don't defend a nazi salute then?

I didn’t. I stated that it wasn’t a nazi salute. There is a difference. A GCSE in English should facilitate understanding the difference.

To be fair the English High Court ruled that the decision to suspend Parliament was lawful - the government lost on appeal;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49604584

The government also won in the Belfast High Court;

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/12/northern-irish-court-dismisses-case-against-no-deal-brexit

It was a landmark case and legal opinion was divided.

Starmer is evens with the bookies to not be leader come the next election.

Maybe it was an Olympic salute, that's quite similar to a Nazi salute.

He tapped his chest/heart to signify love and ‘threw it out’ to the crown in a weird Elon wave. There was an equally weird Elon dance, too, but perhaps I missed when Goering and Hitler did that the Nazi crowd twerked back 🤷🏻‍♀️

It's interesting to me after so many years of critiscism of the previous Government, who let's not forget were democractically elected, that those on the left are so thin skinned about criticism of this one elected using the same rules. It can only be one of three things I think; insecurity about their choice of Government, arrogance that 'their' party is always right without considering any evidence or debate to the contrary, or an inability to understand how an economy actually works. It hasn't helped that this government has had such a poor start politically, with the controversies over cronyism, corruption, freebies, resignations (fraud and corruption related), misleading business and economic mis-steps.

Politics is becoming increasingly polarised globally, and I don't think that (a) reflects the true make up of the electorate and (b) it's dangerous