AIBU to be fed up with all the Keir Starmer threads

[MissScarletInTheBallroom]

It's giving me flashbacks to 2016 when there were about 20 threads a day saying nonsense like, "AIBU to be concerned about the EU's plans to conscript everyone into an EU wide army?"

Just put a sock in it, already.

He’s been in power for six months. Give him a fucking chance. Do you think he has a magic wand that he’s not using or something?

I think Liz Truss’s (unprecedentedly) short term in office has persuaded some that any PM can be forced to resign at any time, if people protest loudly enough.

Those options are plausible

Yes, I think you may be right.

They're ignoring that some people really didn't find 4 PMs in 5 years to their taste and would actually prefer the merry go round to stop for a while. And this is not a party political view either.

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I love yes, minister and (in this case) yes, prime minister

Correct today as they were then, about the readerships .. (although thankfully The Sun Has changed)

No one expected a magic wand, that's just ridiculous. But, most of us also didn't expect them to deliberately make things worse. And, even more galling, when they did, their supporters will argue to they are blue in the face that the decision was right, even when all the facts point to the opposite. Just look at the news today about the continuing fallout from the budget. All predicted at the time, to hysterical denial from some...

I couldn't care less whether people criticise the government (who I didn't vote for, by the way).

What I'm saying is that a lot of these posts have the tone of someone who is here specifically to push an agenda, rather than an actual, normal person who genuinely has something to say about politics. There was a lot of it around pre Brexit referendum as well. It felt like propaganda rather than discussion.

I feel like any further speculation might be taken to be troll hunting, which is against the rules.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom you'll just have to get used to Labour not always being spoken about positively

Mnhq are clearly fed up with the multiple bot accusations and are removing posts or posters

It is tedious to see the same on every thread and ruins the site

I have frequently spoken negatively about Labour myself. I didn't vote for them.

My issue is specifically with the constant very formulaic threads making unevidenced suggestions that the country is on the brink of collapse or that Keir Starmer will be gone within months.

It's all very silly and tedious.

I'm not objecting to people genuinely critiquing government policy.

I'm fed up with this face and his whiney voice 😂

@MissScarletInTheBallroom you'll just have to accept people have different views.

I mean posters use formulaic responses like 'difficult decisions' or 'black hole' and people respond to these as they want. You won't get what you're after unless you go to another site.

Never understood the reference milquetoast until I saw him being interviewed.

I don’t think anyone on this thread who isn’t satisfied with Labour and Kier feels that way because they haven’t turned the UK into a utopia in six months…. It’s more that they have made a bad situation, worse!

I voted for Labour. I really wanted, and still want, them to succeed. I’m not expecting them to work miracles, but so far they’ve been appalling, and done stuff even the most hardened Tories would recoil from! For instance,

a) Removing winter fuel allowance from anyone entitled to a state pension… That’s just £11,500 per year! Of all the places they could have identified money across the UK, they chose pensioners with tiny incomes! They could have tapered it to kick in at a higher amount, and still saved most of the winter fuel allowance bill, but no! Even Ebenezer Scrooge would have blushed at the prospect!

b) The Tories always increased money for social care, not by nearly enough, and it was still the Cinderella service compared to the NHS, but they did increase funding. Labour did too… the difference being they’re taking it away again in employer NICs contributions - the amounts are comparable. Factor in NLW and increasing demand from an elderly population and you have a cut, a deep cut at that!
Social care is now FAR worse off under Labour than was under the Tories - at least it will be when the NICs kick in in April 2025, and it will create a crisis in the NHS as a result soaking up much of the money earmarked for it. The incompetence is just astonishing!

I could go on but I haven’t got time…

They need to reset, and do so fast.

What an odd comment.

How many Tory PM’s were there during those 14 years? Five, to be precise - or 2.8 years tenure on average (skewed by Truss, admittedly).

Starmer is a wholly unlikeable individual - brittle, lacking in charisma, dogmatic, without any political antenna. I could go on. Let’s see the real Starmer, when he’s under a little pressure.

And Sunak and Co were likeable!🤣

Sunak called one thing spot on.

He called Starmer out on tax rises - again, and again.

Your man lied, you know it, we know it.

Um coming from the political party of lies that’s even more hysterical!🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

Ah, the laughing emojis, beloved of those who lack an intelligent riposte.

Four of those Tory PMs were in eight years. Three of them were forced out by their own MPs. Loyalty is such an alien concept to the Tory party, it must come as a shock to realise that other parties don’t treat a leader who transformed them from an unelectable rabble to election winners in four years the same way.

Starmer knows he’s unpopular, he’s been transparent about expecting unpopularity because cleaning the stables means unpopular decisions. We’ve already seen him under pressure - remember the riots? Tough, ruthless, decisive and uncompromising.

Sunak reckoned every household’s tax would go up by £2k a year, he lied about that and he lied that it was a Treasury forecast.

One isn’t needed your party continuously lied and you know it. The whole country knows it- and won’t forget. Taxes, Brexit, Covid, stopping the boats….
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Pure revisionism.

Starmer crept in because of the divisions in the Tory party. One rather suspects that many Labour voters are currently nursing a severe case of buyers remorse.

To be clear, which stables is Starmer cleaning? Presumably Reeves’s.

I agree. You know Starmer is doing something right because the red top media owned by Billionaires are coming hard and fast for him and Labour.

Nope back in the real world away from Tory bot filled Mumsnet I’ve yet to come across anybody not very relieved to have a Labour Party in power.