Is it really that wrong to want for your country what Trump stands for?

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I know that there are plenty of threads on Trump at the moment, but most of them are designed to rubbish the guy. That’s been done to death in the last 10 years.

He has still won two presidential elections so perhaps it’s time to move the discussion on a bit.Let’s put aside Trump’s personality, bluster, and whether he will deliver or not, for a second.

Is it really so wrong and bad to want to go for what his core message is? Why is the far right label used so liberally and will we ever see a government in this country which can tackle this madness -

A stop to or huge reduction in illegal immigration

Putting your own country first ahead of internationalism. It’s not a novel idea and certainly not a byword for automatically wanting war. In fact Trump’s argument is that war is bad

Saying no the climate hysteria. Climate change is real but climate emergency seems to be a made up concept to simply tax people to death to re distribute taxes to government lobbyists. Why should people accept being poorer in the name of this dangerous ideology

Putting a stop to woke madness. When did it become ok for state sponsored mutilation of children? Men pretending to be women in prison and hospitals getting access to women’s spaces. People being sanctioned do not using the correct pronouns

Driving the economy forward and putting a stop to endless freebies for those who have no intention of contributing to the system and refuse to work because they are sad.

The fact that someone as eccentric as Trump has to fly the flag for common sense ideas shows you just how batshit the political discourse has become.

I don’t want her to leave because she is American, I want her to leave because she’s racist.

I fully believe racism has no place in Britain and is antithetical to British values.

I don’t see how that is in any way similar to Trump, but feel free to enlighten me.

As for hostile…I support hostile
environments when it comes to people who shouldn’t be in this country.

Like racists.

Holocaust memorial week. Those of you supporting Trump and his rabble of followers should listen to some of the accounts of the rise of the Nazis. Pay attention. Make comparisons. You may think 'that's fine, they don't mean me'. Perhaps they don't mean you today. But they may well mean you tomorrow. And you are guaranteed to not like it.

I’ve looked at the Opinium website which strangely doesn’t show the results of this - or any other - poll. Equally strangely it’s still boasting about the accuracy of its polling for the 2019 election but it’s as if 2024 never happened. Very odd.

Yeah, I did the same. It’s very odd. The telegraph captions it as ‘Nepean poll’ but googling that brings up some Ontario district.

Anyway, if the Telegraph questions are verbatim, it’s horribly biased and shouldn’t really be considered as reflective of anything other than how important words are.

Yes, I did the same, couldn't find the source.

@Feelslikewinter you said the pp has 'no place in my country.'

What makes it yours specifically? Over someone else such as the pp who lives here.

If you read the article you'll see those questions ate modelled on Trump's speeches. They are not random. That's the connection with Trump

Nobody said they were random. We’re all querying the Telegraph’s source and the framing of the questions. You can get any answer you want if you frame the question in the right way.

The article outlines the phrases in Trump's speeches, using quotes.

It's not hard to read

Our posts are clearly hard to understand because you’re completely missing the point of them.

You're finding a very simple article difficult and rather than waste more time I'll just direct you back to it.

Because she isn’t British and I am. HTH.

No idea what you are referring to re connection with Trump. You suggested I was similar to Trump in some way because I was suggesting the racist app sling their hook, but you haven’t explained how not wanting to allow an immigrant racist to pollute our green and pleasant land is Trumpian.

You seem to now be mixing that up with my comments on the bias inherent in the poll questions.

Get your thoughts straight, would you?

Again, I would urge you to be kind - don’t forget, right wing people tend to be less well educated and also less able to perform cognitive tasks.

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9548663/#:~:text=For%20example%2C%20higher%20scores%20in,et%20al.%2C%202011).

There are an estimated 20 million illegal aliens in America. We voted for
this. You may not like it. But you are presumably not an American citizen so your opinion here, frankly, is irrelevant.

Our opinions are not irrelevant to the OP's question, which was not 'Should the Americans vote Trump out?' but 'Is it really that wrong to want for your country what Trump stands for?' I interpret this as meaning 'Is it wrong to want it for the UK?' And YES, it is wrong IMO. The very thought fills me with infinite terror. The clampdown on women's rights- not only reproductive rights, but Vance's saying that women should stay even with abusive husbands. The support for the Christian Right, not only against secularists, but also, as we have recently seen, liberal Christians, The mass deportations. And one thing that has hardly been mentioned on this thread so far, but is utterly terrifying: the opposition to many aspects of modern medicine: the anti-vaccination Health Secretary; the halting of medical research.

I don't think we will have a government that fully resembles the Trump government here. But it's something that we have to guard against- especially with the rise of RW populist parties in some Europaean countries. And it's important that we do not trivialize the danger by comparing all bad leaders and governments to the Trump government. Boris Johnson, for example, was a bad leader but he wasn't equivalent to Trump.

@Feelslikewinter people can move to a new country and it feels like theirs, it happens all the time. It makes it no more yours than anyone else who feels that connection

As for the rest of your posts including insults.. well I'll leave you with that as it's pointless dealing with that kind of stuff

Of course they can. She can feel however she likes. Doesn’t make it true.

You’re very hung up on defending a racist immigrant. Is it only the white immigrants you side with over non-British values?

To paraphrase the racist - I am only sharing stats. Stats can’t be insulting.

If someone doesn't like your post (because they don't agree) they can report it to MNHQ and get it deleted, which of course is not democratic!

Says this person -

"Why are you an expat not an immigrant? Are you planning on going back? Do consider speeding up that timeline. We don’t want your sort here"

Sounds pretty Racist to me.

RTFT and stop being so ridiculous.

Telling a white American to piss off home with her bigoted views isn’t racism.

She can feel however she likes. Doesn’t make it true.

Why not? There's plenty of people in London for example who feel it's their home

Yes there are.

Amen

I have read all of the thread, it's highly entertaining, thankyou.

You found this thread entertaining ? It’s a cesspit.

You’re very welcome!

Not sure I can take all the credit; the American racist has given me some excellent bigotry to bounce off.