Is it really that wrong to want for your country what Trump stands for?

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I know that there are plenty of threads on Trump at the moment, but most of them are designed to rubbish the guy. That’s been done to death in the last 10 years.

He has still won two presidential elections so perhaps it’s time to move the discussion on a bit.Let’s put aside Trump’s personality, bluster, and whether he will deliver or not, for a second.

Is it really so wrong and bad to want to go for what his core message is? Why is the far right label used so liberally and will we ever see a government in this country which can tackle this madness -

A stop to or huge reduction in illegal immigration

Putting your own country first ahead of internationalism. It’s not a novel idea and certainly not a byword for automatically wanting war. In fact Trump’s argument is that war is bad

Saying no the climate hysteria. Climate change is real but climate emergency seems to be a made up concept to simply tax people to death to re distribute taxes to government lobbyists. Why should people accept being poorer in the name of this dangerous ideology

Putting a stop to woke madness. When did it become ok for state sponsored mutilation of children? Men pretending to be women in prison and hospitals getting access to women’s spaces. People being sanctioned do not using the correct pronouns

Driving the economy forward and putting a stop to endless freebies for those who have no intention of contributing to the system and refuse to work because they are sad.

The fact that someone as eccentric as Trump has to fly the flag for common sense ideas shows you just how batshit the political discourse has become.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/879835/british-perceptions-on-donald-trump/

Do keep up as someone put

The poll is about ideas and is by Opinium

Majority backed them, which directly relates to op's question on what Trump stands for. More agree with her than don't

’relatable everywheres’. These are the ones who grind my gears. The ones who look down on people who do manual work. You only have to read threads about workmen and builders on here.

But you didn’t provide a link - as usual - so how was anyone supposed to know that?

There should really be strict rules on wealth and influence of individuals - definitely in politics and the media. This has got out of hand. For example, no billionaire should own and use strategic means of communications without counter powers. The funding of political parties and political figures should also be absolutely regulated. (For example, no one is really talking about Trump's crypto currency but the implications are huge.)

Google is on your device

I'd probably link it for others tbf

Why on earth has my last post been hidden @MNHQ? I am merely stating that billionaires should not own and use strategic means of communications without stricter scrutiny and counter powers? Also that funding of political parties and political figures should be much more tightly regulated! Are we still in a democracy?

And yet, can you not see that the unaccountable Everywheres are implementing a divide and rule strategy? Of course, they want you to feel that way about the snotty middle class git who looks down their nose at you, and they LOVE it when we all get into a bunfight about it. So what? Middle class snobs annoy you, big deal. What matters is that we don't collectively get screwed over by actual oligarchs who only care about greed greed and more greed.

I'd still like to know what the reason was for my last post to be hidden...

I will bow out of this thread but basically, I think we'll all miss our rights & freedom when they're gone.

I hope you’re including Dale Vince in this. Labour party donor who has just been given a massive contract by this government.

My comment is party agnostic and applies to all countries where the system allows donations to skew things and to all super wealthy figures who seek influence for their own gains.
I have said many many times I am politically homeless and I think the left/right divide is outdated bullshit because the dividing lines are entirely elsewhere.

US removal of illegals rose to a record high under Biden - 270,000 removed in last 12 months by the way. I don't think everyone realises that. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/19/deportations-biden-trump

Labour says it has reached record "highs" (16,400 ) ie not many at all in last 12 months as at Jan 2025 https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-removes-highest-number-of-illegal-migrants-in-5-years

London apparently has 600,000 illegals so we have a long way to go if we want people to obey the law.

These extreme and conspiratorial ideas don't land well in British culture which tends to be cynical and lets face it not inanely positive; I think that's why my parents always switched off Sesame Street too much preachy wholesomeness from that Big Bird character and with my own DC we tried to wean them off bloody Barney (the Dinosaur). Luckily, they were soon intrigued by the homegrown misadventures of Peter Rabbit and Squirrel Nutkin!

I'm starting to think some people really wouldn't miss their rights and freedoms, maybe they don't even know that means as many people have a very limited education and receive all the new from social media.

News not 'new'

I have decided to buy a range of newspapers each week and keep off any politcal news sites/ programmes on the internet and or via the TV. We are becoming polarised and aggressive.

Don’t forget racists tend to be more stupid and worse educated than the likes of us. You might need to make allowances.

That’s twice you’ve said that so I’ll repeat what I said the first time you tried to make this false equivalence - I am in favour of deporting both rapists AND racists.

You and your KKK views have no place in my country.

Yep, time was I truly disliked him. Now I am just grateful someone is advocating for reality and basic common sense, even if it has to be him.

@Goldenbear that tv aside the ideas did go down well

I disagree, perhaps it is the circles I move in but British people are too cynical and can't take patriotism seriously. For example, street parties for the coronation, most people I knew wanted an excuse to close the street to embrace the no car zones so their kids could play out, it was an excuse for a party that continued in the pub! People who watched the royal weddings said the same thing, they were only watching them to see what the dress looked like. There's a reticence to have on display the English flag in football tournaments as it has far right connotations probably left over from the 90s, if you lived in London in that era all those groups conjured up was fear and my middle class parents told me to stay away or go the other way due to their reputation.

I mean, I agree with most of it because of the way the questions have been posed.

I want a merit based, colour-blind society.

I agree with deporting illegal migrant criminals.

Trade protectionism less so - but if I was uneducated or thick, I would find it hard to disagree with the way the statement is written.

Weirdly I couldn’t find the source material, but here is the Torygraph précis. I’m taking it as accurate reporting (against my better judgement).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/01/26/voters-donald-trump-border-emergency-channel-us-tariffs-dei/

I imagine if you said ‘racism doesn’t exist and we are a colour-blind society’ or ‘we will declare an emergency in the channel and stop all migration including refugees’ or ‘we will refill our gas reserves and ignore the climate emergency’, the poll results would be markedly different.

Surely even the die hard right wingers can see how biased the survey questions are?

@Goldenbear it's a very recent poll, that's why they do it to see what people think of the ideas

I mean, I agree with most of it because of the way the questions have been posed.

Interesting. The questions are taken from Trump's speeches

Are you the pp that has been demanding a US pp leave? You have more in common than your rather hostile posts suggest