Is it really that wrong to want for your country what Trump stands for?

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I know that there are plenty of threads on Trump at the moment, but most of them are designed to rubbish the guy. That’s been done to death in the last 10 years.

He has still won two presidential elections so perhaps it’s time to move the discussion on a bit.Let’s put aside Trump’s personality, bluster, and whether he will deliver or not, for a second.

Is it really so wrong and bad to want to go for what his core message is? Why is the far right label used so liberally and will we ever see a government in this country which can tackle this madness -

A stop to or huge reduction in illegal immigration

Putting your own country first ahead of internationalism. It’s not a novel idea and certainly not a byword for automatically wanting war. In fact Trump’s argument is that war is bad

Saying no the climate hysteria. Climate change is real but climate emergency seems to be a made up concept to simply tax people to death to re distribute taxes to government lobbyists. Why should people accept being poorer in the name of this dangerous ideology

Putting a stop to woke madness. When did it become ok for state sponsored mutilation of children? Men pretending to be women in prison and hospitals getting access to women’s spaces. People being sanctioned do not using the correct pronouns

Driving the economy forward and putting a stop to endless freebies for those who have no intention of contributing to the system and refuse to work because they are sad.

The fact that someone as eccentric as Trump has to fly the flag for common sense ideas shows you just how batshit the political discourse has become.

There’s no idiom with the equivalent of ‘let’s cut them in half and see what they’re made of LOL’.

If you can’t see how disgusting that is, then I feel bad for you tbh

She already stated that she doesn’t believe poverty has anything to do with black crime

I really don’t think poverty has much to do with crime from any demographic.

But I could concede maybe it has some bearing on theft and property crimes. But not violent crime like rape and murder, no.

Several people have repeatedly asked them why they believe black crime stats are as they are and they won’t answer - just say what it definitely isn’t (poverty, racism, trauma etc)

It would be great if I had all the answers. But the tendency here is to assign a monocausal explanation to something that has a variety of factors.

Do I think racism affects black people? Of course I do. But I don’t think it’s actually a reason for their higher crime rates, no.

I do see the mass indiscriminate killing of children in schools as scarier than gang-on-gang violence

Of course you do. That’s why it makes headlines. Also gang violence will not harm the average person, while mass shootings in, say, a theater or a shopping mall, might.

If you don't want to assign a monocasual explanation to black crime, why assign it to disenfranchisement for white crime?

Do you believe there is a biological component that makes black people more violent than white people?

White people have spent the last 400 years murdering their way around the world, raping and stealing as they progressed. Is that genetic?

Tbh everyone was doing that 400 years ago. Empire building is something most civilizations engaged in. Don’t think too hard about how China got to be as big as it is nowadays … and what Japan tried to do (but failed as the age of empire was coming to an end). Or indeed the stretch and reach of the Ottoman Empire.

The administration is planning on invading Greenland, Panama, Mexico and is going to help Israel clear the Palestinians out of their 'beach front' location. No doubt, the death of people in these countries will just be written off as collateral damage

Trump says a lot of things, but is fairly unpredictable wrt foreign policy. BUT I do think we’ll end up purchasing Greenland.

As for RingoJuice, the nerve of an immigrant like you wanting to remove people from a country you have immigrated to

I am not an immigrant. I was born in America. And I am currently an expat.

If you don't like the people where you live, I suggest you return to your homeland

Who said I didn’t like British people?

I guess it doesn't matter really, when Trump has finished deporting the slightly brown skinned catholics to Mexico, he will be deporting everyone else, unless of course you can pass yourself off as a person of european origin

There are an estimated 20 million illegal aliens in America. We voted for
this. You may not like it. But you are presumably not an American citizen so your opinion here, frankly, is irrelevant.

If you don't want to assign a monocasual explanation to black crime, why assign it to disenfranchisement for white crime?

I said alienation, which is slightly different to disenfranchisement. But it’s definitely NOT the sole cause. I just mention it to differentiate it from the typical black school shooter.

Do you believe there is a biological component that makes black people more violent than white people

I don’t think it’s helpful to frame things this way, and indeed the desperation for some posters to pin me down on this particular topic is … interesting

Trump doesn't stand for anything but himself...I honestly can't comprehend how some people can't see that.

How would you frame it then?

Surely the answer to a biological component is a simple yes or no?

If you believe black people are inherently more violent have the guts to say it at least.

Everyone else can see how disgusting it is though!

The bottom paragraph!!! Well said, suck it up, most people want this.

Mumsnet is a British based discussion forum so it is highly likely that a non-American citizen is going to discuss these points!

There is. Brits understand what I’m referring to.

Well you would be mostly wrong.

Why are you an expat not an immigrant? Are you planning on going back? Do consider speeding up that timeline. We don’t want your sort here.

Don’t be so precious. It’s a pretty common British expression. Save your disgust for the racist apologist of the orange rapist.

Why are you an expat not an immigrant? Are you planning on going back? Do consider speeding up that timeline. We don’t want your sort here

You can’t even get literal rapists deported (ermagherd, what about their right to family life???!!???) and you want an opinionated American woman deported?

Can’t make this shit up 😆

Ha at this

Going back to the op on that very question polling shows people here do support Trump's ideas generally

Opinium did it recently

Indeed, Brits are interested in what's going on in the US because a lot of us participating in these discussions either have personal or business connections (or both) with the country. Also, what is going on is very likely to impact on our economy and political culture down the line here at home. We're invested whether we like it or not but as non-citizens don't have a formal voice, all we can do is discuss.

34% apparently like Trump. That’s unlikely to last.

And the vast majority hate Elon Musk.

And like Brexit, a growing number are regretting their decisions.

His favorables are actually at 47% right now.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/?ex_cid=abcpromo

His favorables are actually at 47% right now.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/?ex_cid=abcpromo

Moving in the opposite direction to our version

We’re talking about Brits here. Do keep up.

The pp has it wrong anyway the poll is about ideas and policies not whether they like Trump

Isn't it like a bad joke then that Trump (champion of the 'somewheres') relies heavily on the money and agenda of the ultimate 'everywheres' (the billionaire oligarchs)? Trump, 'Mr Sovereignty' Farage, all the populists sell the idea to working class 'somewheres' that the relatable 'everywheres' (ie the urban middle classes) are the enemy, when in fact the unattainable unaccountable billionaire 'everywheres' with ACTUAL money are the ones pulling the strings - and not to our benefit either.