President Trump: Why is his incoming administration desperate to destroy Europe with political and economic turmoil?

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If it were China or Islamic State behaving in a way Trump and Musk are regarding Greenland, Canada, threats of regime change in the UK and essentially aggressively trying to destabilize every European ‘ally’, we’d be calling in Ambassadors, freezing assets etc.

They haven’t even been sworn in yet and are causing chaos and stress.

The way they are behaving you’d think they wanted armed conflict with all their allies.

Although I’m aware Trumps voters don’t care what we think of them, I don’t think many of the rest of the world will ever forgive them for what they’ve inflicted on the rest of us. Yes give into stupidity and feel good chanting four word slogans, but contain it within your own borders, don’t harm the rest of the world with it.

Rich white man syndrome, they’re taught from birth they have a right to do whatever they want.

The world is changing. Democracies as we know them are becoming less true. Autocracy is rising from Brazil to China and into some Eastern European nations. At the same time, the US, UK and many other European nations have eye-watering debt. It is so eye-watering there is less room to manoeuvre and there is now talk that the UK may have to reconsider its debt position. Rulers in Russia, China, Iran and Korea smell our weakness. China will take Taiwan by military force and Russia which is now on a 40% war economy will eventually rebuild before pushing back into the Baltic states. Those governments and the Polish government are telling us this, but our governments have their hands over their ears. Russia may even have designs on Romania too.

Despite all the great and virtuous civil rights and minority and asset protections we have, the West as we have known it may fail. I think the greatest risk is in Europe. It has been clear for some time that climate change will create a new frontier in the Arctic. Trump is saying the things that others won't say out loud. He told European leaders in childlike language they had allowed Russia to weaponise energy. The scorn around the room was palpable. Then February 2022 came and 'bang!' Europe was scrabbling to find the power it needed.

British Intelligence for decades feared Putin as the most dangerous person in the world. They were proved right. If Trump's unpredictability makes Putin fearful of just how far he can push, China too, then that is probably at least one good thing for the next four years. War in Ukraine will not end on terms that Trump does not approve, regardless of Putin's wants.

It will be interesting in four years time to compare the military and civilian death count through conflict over Trump's second term with those of earlier presidents.

The man is a puppet of Russia and North Korea. It's wholly in their interests to destabilise Europe.

Because America is no longer has the power to act as the world's policeman so he is defending his countries national interest. He's doing his job, I wish our leaders would guard Britain's national interest.

I understand why getting Greenland is in thier national interest

I dont quite get destabilising europe and regime change here though.

Who do you think cut Nordstream?

In what was is he destabilising Europe? Greenland isn't in Europe (genuine question)

I agree. Soft touch Britain, fucking over its own citizens to be seen as some kind of peace maker. You have to be tough at times.

To be fair I was thinking elon musk who seemed to be advising trump and his whipping up of a lot of things in uk and EU.

Nothing to do with the Greenland thing at all.

Greenland is administered by Denmark.

I'm not a trump voter or supporter.
He impacts as much as people let him impact.

Re Europe I think it's about time Europe was self sufficient and not reliant on America for money and defence?
Why isn't it? I hope America never leaves nato but I also hope it wakes up and puts more money into defence. We arnt in the eu but I feel the UK has been doing more than it's fair share.

Trump also said, caveat we don't know how true this is that Europe doesn't buy anything off America.

Trump being in the white house should be showing Europe, we simply can't rely on America anymore we must invest in defense. If what's happened with Ukraine hasn't changed that I don't know what will.
Also I think much of what he says is nonsensical bluster. However if I was a USA enemy like hammas or putin I would be a little bit scared.

Ah OK. I wasn't sure of the connection.

I welcome any destabilising of the UK, it is hostile to large swathes of its population, corrupt and profoundly dysfunctional. Something needs to change. I think the UK does more self harm than any foreign actors.

I'm aware. That doesn't answer my question.

American conservatives will doom the world to a state of perpetual war over resources and territory but Western Europe is also following in their footsteps.

I don’t like to talk up the UK as that kind of rhetoric comes dangerously close to xenophobic nationalism but in this case we seem to be one of the few nations bucking the trend of slipping to the right.

We’ve been tough in the past, and look at what that did to the world. I’m glad that we can now look to what we can do for other countries and not what we can take from them.

I think that might change at the next election.

We can only do things for others if we're the biggest boys in the playground. If bigger boys, we're in no position to help anyone, and there's no one to help us.

On another thread I suggested that we ban Reform and I got eviscerated for it, so sadly you may be right.

Though I refuse to give up hope, when people eventually see the good that Labour is doing for this country it will sink in, I’m sure!

When in your view did the UK start giving more back to the world than taking?

Got it in one. It’s megalomania, pure and simple.

Well we do give money in relief aid. Not just the government, altruistic citizens do too. We’ve also given back a few stolen territories, and some like Gibraltar and the Falklands I can see being handed back in the next 10 years too.

I doubt we’ll avoid it given shifts already

Three major parties might give distorted results though compared with PR

A character trait that is not limited to white skin though, as history shows us.

It's America first Stupid
I'd like the UK Govt to put the interests of its citizens first.

Entitlement and pettiness really. Men like Trump or Musk are egotistical children who expect everyone to kowtow to them, don't like the slightest pushback from anyone and they don't care what the consequences are on everyone else.

People with that much money are effectively paying every day to avoid interacting with human beings other than those serving them, it's not surprising they don't see or care about anything outside of their sphere.