President Trump: Why is his incoming administration desperate to destroy Europe with political and economic turmoil?

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If it were China or Islamic State behaving in a way Trump and Musk are regarding Greenland, Canada, threats of regime change in the UK and essentially aggressively trying to destabilize every European ‘ally’, we’d be calling in Ambassadors, freezing assets etc.

They haven’t even been sworn in yet and are causing chaos and stress.

The way they are behaving you’d think they wanted armed conflict with all their allies.

Although I’m aware Trumps voters don’t care what we think of them, I don’t think many of the rest of the world will ever forgive them for what they’ve inflicted on the rest of us. Yes give into stupidity and feel good chanting four word slogans, but contain it within your own borders, don’t harm the rest of the world with it.

America First. Simple as that. He knows that a great deal rests on how he is perceived by the other large powers - China, Russia et al. He’s demonstrating that he’s unpredictable and doesn’t care about playing nice with them. Joe Biden’s placatory government with their obsession with identity politics and their horrendous exit from Afghanistan has made the US a disrespected laughing stock. He’s trying to turn it around and I don’t blame him one bit. I don’t care for the man myself but I’m glad the Republicans won and I think J D Vance is brilliant - the US are lucky to have him.

I'm not suggesting she's lying but I'd certainly be suspicious about the sources. I'm inclined to think that she's learned very quickly during her time on the site that's it's the sort of link that would be reported and removed and might result in a banning.

More than likely!

You're clearly a moron

Just because we have a slightly left wing government right now doesn't mean that we are bucking the trend. Reading and listening to opinions on here and elsewhere indicates that once this term is over, if Farage is still in charge of Reform, the UK will swing heavily to the right, particularly England. It's quite a scary medium and long term outlook from where I am sitting.

When I said cultural, I was thinking currently so should have said that.
The food, music, gangs. The celebrity culture, sanctifying a criminal, and more.

I'm a modern jazz fan and also of old Hollywood.
They did steal European architecture and tart it up for the better as well, I say grudgingly. Arts and Crafts, Art Deco and Colonial.
Huge admirer of President Reagan and watch his YT compilations if feeling down. I worked for an American company.

So it's all old stuff and maybe Europe has changed for the worse too. Who knows, as it's mostly US news reported.

What ridiculous hyperbole and insistence on personal motivation. So you're ackniweledging that posting your link might have resulted in reporting and a possible ban? We don't know you. Why should posters care about you personally to hate your guts?

See I am not an admirer of Reagan at all! But I guess for me it is the trickle down economics I am thinking of, which I blame for a lot of the current issues in the world. You might be thinking of his dealings with Russia, or possibly disagree with me re economics. Its all nuanced...

I think the worst problem is American culture/news/drama's is so dominant. It always has been - America was best placed to dominate world culture post WW2 and most news agencies are based there. But its become much worse with social media/the internet. Maybe its because silicon valley is dominant but every single issue seems to be filtered through "how this supports my point about America". E.g. being told by UK people that we used to racially segregate toilets/bathrooms in the UK (we didn't) or that because I voted left I am a "liberal" who thinks (insert American lefty stereotype). Exhausting. Even people spelling Inquiry as Enquiry. Its not technically incorrect. But its very noticeably not the common British usage and it suggests they are getting their news from Twitter (or from people who get their news from Twitter).

And now they are going mad, so we have to go mad too apparently.

It might. I don't know. I've been banmed from several subreddits for saying it's homophobic to say a lesbian can't have a penis.

But I think you're being disingenuous to pretend to you and your cohort want me silenced. I mean the other poster was saying Reform should be banned. That's an extremely authoritarian attitude and is very clear that means supporters should be punished if they are seen in any way to promote Reform. The purpose is to silence and punish political opponents.

You and your cohort? Are you not acknowledging that people don't all have the same opinions about things? And as I said, no one knows you or cares about you enough to hate your guts.

Genuinely curious, how would you describe/categorise these separate movements? What makes them distinct from one another

That I'm lying and nobody wrote this? They certainly did write it! Why would I make that up? That's bizarre. My "references" - what are you talking about, it's not a study, someone wrote an opinion piece for an online magazine, I don't need any other reference for that claim other than link to the article itself. And what on earth is a reputable source these days? Such a thing no longer exists because they've all been caught lying.

Since you've declined to post the link it's not possible for anyone else to form an opinion on whether or not it's reputable.

What qualities would it require to be reputable? (I don't consider any source reputable)

Hypothetical discussion since you're not prepared to disclose the source of the article.

It's easier to plunder something if you break it apart first

No it's not, you surely have a set of objective standards you apply when discerning the quality of a publications truth claims, I'm asking you what they are. If I asked you how you know if a dish is cooked well or not, you surely have an expectation of what a well cooked dish would be like in order to judge the one in question, it would be odd not to. Unless of course, you're telling the truth, in which case your criteria is one of pure emotivism, in which case - how refreshing to admit it.

I don't agree with any of that except the last sentence.

European governments come and go rapidly, it's more important to have the established "long term ally" narrative. They will still work together regardless of who is specifically in power at any given moment.

Exporting to Europe isn't a high priority for them. The top five countries they export goods to are Canada, Mexico, China, Japan, and the UK, with the first three being massively more significant. None of those are under EU rule, and the EU market is never going to be that big for them when the EU prioritises the EU.

The author is a good friend of a philosopher called Nina Power. She in turn was close to Mark Fisher, who is very much venerated on the left.

Well tell us who it is then instead of playing games.

I'm not playing games. I'm genuinely not sure if I'm allowed to or not.

That was quite a rabbit hole that excavated this:

At trial, it emerged that Power had been writing anonymously for a far-right blog, Parallax Optics,[10] and had shared far-right conspiracy theories with Miller including the idea that black people and white people are different alien races.

Tells me all I need to know.

Well exactly. She does an interview with Unherd where she discusses this. It's worth watching.

Thank you.