President Trump: Why is his incoming administration desperate to destroy Europe with political and economic turmoil?

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If it were China or Islamic State behaving in a way Trump and Musk are regarding Greenland, Canada, threats of regime change in the UK and essentially aggressively trying to destabilize every European ‘ally’, we’d be calling in Ambassadors, freezing assets etc.

They haven’t even been sworn in yet and are causing chaos and stress.

The way they are behaving you’d think they wanted armed conflict with all their allies.

Although I’m aware Trumps voters don’t care what we think of them, I don’t think many of the rest of the world will ever forgive them for what they’ve inflicted on the rest of us. Yes give into stupidity and feel good chanting four word slogans, but contain it within your own borders, don’t harm the rest of the world with it.

You seemingly don't want to disclose the dodgy sites you look at, or have learned very quickly in your time on the site that sharing the link might get you banned.

They are Putin's Fan Boys. Farage too, see how he's doing Trumps bidding to return ISIS fighters back to the UK. Farage fans in turn say it's him moving more to the left to appeal to more voters.
Nonsense, he's Trump's Poodle who in turn is Putin's.
Whether that's to keep on side with China, who they all seem to fear, I have no idea.

I've said for many years that culturally no good comes from the USA. I far prefer the European and Nordic culture.
It's going to be a turbulent period and God only help Ukraine.

Maybe think about it less in terms of geopolitics and more in terms of the Karpman drama triangle. Karpman drama triangle - Wikipedia (America/Trump decide their own role and reassigns everyone else to their roles, on a daily basis. Sometimes it changes more than once a day!)

Incidentally, one would think if someone was genuinely afraid of "the fall of the West" or Europe/UK becoming a nucleur Muslim state they wouldn't be actively trying to cause unrest/a civil war since any self respecting prospective Calif (or communist dictator, or feminazi) would take advantage of the chaos to mount their attack and seize control. Which is why when the US was scared Europe would turn red post WW2 they implemented the Marshall plan rather than boasting about how they were going to bring disruption. (Not saying the Europe needs a Marshall plan. Just pointing out that they don't really believe their own rhetoric. Not deep deep down.

Definitely.

Whether that's to keep on side with China, who they all seem to fear, I have no idea.

Reeves is in or just back from China

In terms of America no country is really good or pure evil/no good at all.
I could easily write a narrative in which America is responsible for pretty much everything bad that has happened in the last 100 years,...
e.g. Muslim terrorism- did you know that the men who founded ISIS/DAESH were radicalised when they were tortured (and almost certainly raped repeatedly) by American soldiers? Before then Al Baghdadi was a conservative Muslim cleric. After that he was an adherent to the most twisted, psychopathic version of Islam that existed. (moral of the story is Rape is bad). The Taliban were (sort of) funded by America in the 70s helping them seize Afghanistan. Al Qaida grew out of the big gap between what the establishment of Saudi Arabia wanted (alliance with the US) and what the very religously conservative populace wanted. Especially the presence of US soldiers and their dogs during the first Gulf war. the 7/7 attacks in the UK probably would never have happened if the UK hadn't done Americas bidding and gone into Iraq.

You could write another narrative in which Islam/Muslims are responsible for everything bad in the UK. The grooming gangs scandal is a good example I could use. Or the Jews. Or I could describe the evil influence the Scottish have had on the world over the centuries.

So good stuff has come from America and bad. I said on another thread that mixer taps, the Simpsons, David Sedaris are all a net good. But the far right (Islamism and the Tommy Robinson kind) are an unequivocal danger. And the individuals stoking it through stupidity or evil are as well.

Dr taj hargey (sp) is a liberal and I believe gay Muslim.

I could be wrong as I looked him up years ago but I believe he allowed men and women to pray together in his mosque and he allowed people who have left Islam but still wanted to be in the environment and pray occasionally to do so.

He said the Muslim British Council is awful and had a very hard right Conservative agenda and again my info isn't up to date but I believe they drove him out of the UK.

Dr taj also strongly cautioned against allowing halal meat to creep into normal food production so we all end up eating it and little things like that because he said it gave credence to a larger vision.

Also I should have said music! American blues and country music led directly to the rise of Skiffle in the UK. Which then morphed into British Rock Music in the 1960s (e.g. the Stones) who brought it back to the US. And Mo-town. Lots of good cultural benefits. But also they can be massive twats.

It's all just a bit of a laugh for Mumpsk (Musk +Trump = Mumpsk)

Quite.

Wishing for ‘instability’ in such a blanket, sweeping way (what kind? to what end? who loses and who gains what?) really indicates that someone has had the privilege to live their whole lives in stability, with no real threats to their safety, or that they are at best indifferent to human suffering, or both. It scares me.

He just likes attention and headlines, he didn't even manage to build a wall last time.

It's all the same with these extreme types - say the most ridiculous thing possible to get attention.

It's in Amercas national interest to destabilise Europe and the EU and install government's who are in thrall and indebted to Trump. Then US food companies, farmers, tech companies and pharma can dump their excess stuff on us in particular. EU rules prevent them capitulation to the US on food safety etc so Trump hates them. He is acting solely in Americas interests and we are bending over and taking it up thexarse, pretending we are big enough in our own right to he equal partners with the US.

He's a power hungry, self-interested cock surrounded by yes men.

Simple as that.

Omg I despair. What good exacty? Explain in detail pls.

They are trying to remove the administrations not trying to hurt the people. This is a battle between the entrenched technocratic globalists (EU/UK/Can) and the newly empowered forces of liberty (US).

2025 is going to be a rollercoaster ride for geopolitics.

What are those conclusions?

I stated them above. Read back. ETA my post at 12.25pm.

You won’t post your link, I won’t post my conclusion. Fair?

Gasp!

Why ‘gasp!’?

It's in Russia's interest. Follow the money. Farage and Trump both friends of Putin.

Its in what Putin considers his/Russia's interest, would be more accurate to say. Russia has been on a crazy self-destructive (but also trying to destroy everyone around them as well) tilt for quite a long time. So its better to thing "what would a crazy person with BPD who only sees things in terms of a zero-sum game do" rather than "what would rationally be in Russia's self interest right now." That was a mistake lots of countries made in the run up to the Ukraine war and meant they both antagonised Russia and believed Russia would never do something so self-destructive as to invade.
With America/Trump also its better to think in terms of what he would consider his best interests. Rather than what you would if you were in his exact same position.

There are several movements that resemble nihilistic death cults and this is just one of them. The fact so many of them have gained real traction and influence is a concern. If we could see a Venn diagram of their supporters, there's probably a big overlap between them.

Thanks! I think that probably is the best description and better than just "far right" actually.

That you're lying. That your references are from non reputable sources.

That you're full of shit?

Take your pick 😁