President Trump: Why is his incoming administration desperate to destroy Europe with political and economic turmoil?

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If it were China or Islamic State behaving in a way Trump and Musk are regarding Greenland, Canada, threats of regime change in the UK and essentially aggressively trying to destabilize every European ‘ally’, we’d be calling in Ambassadors, freezing assets etc.

They haven’t even been sworn in yet and are causing chaos and stress.

The way they are behaving you’d think they wanted armed conflict with all their allies.

Although I’m aware Trumps voters don’t care what we think of them, I don’t think many of the rest of the world will ever forgive them for what they’ve inflicted on the rest of us. Yes give into stupidity and feel good chanting four word slogans, but contain it within your own borders, don’t harm the rest of the world with it.

It's because he thinks he can get away with it. He's a lot more wary of China and North Korea. And seems to be a Putin fanboy.

I think he might be mistaken , especially in the case of France which has its own nuclear deterrent or ' force de frappe'. Marine le Pen's vote will suffer if the French people suspect Musk / Trump are pulling her strings.

I think it's because he ( and musk ) thinks western liberalisation is destroying our known culture so he's putting pressure on to reverse it .

Because if Musk can get Reform into power he becomes the de facto leader of the UK here too - they’re so in thrall of him and his money and power, he can pull their strings to do whatever he wants.

Well what can do to stop this then? These megalomaniacs have whipped the working class all over the west into a frenzy and it scares me to think of the future when emotions and prejudice are the order of governance.

I don’t follow what Trump says but Europe has been destabilising itself for years now. The writing was on the wall already before the recession in 2008. Rolling out the common currency was at least one of the triggers, taking idiotic measures aimed at dismantling energy security, such as national votes on nuclear power (as Italy did) was another nail in the coffin; selling out assets, knowledge and IP to China for easy cash at every opportunity could be another example - I am in Sweden and the majority of our large employers have been Chinese for years.

I don’t understand the complaints about potential tariffs either, the European Single Market has been quite hostile to many products from the outside for years… I still buy things from Britain after Brexit and the duties are ridiculous (3.5% over a threshold of 100 or so euro - it might be fine for an individual consumer but it’s significant for businesses).

If Trump is highlighting these issues he’s only talking about things that are already there. Various countries have been eyeing Greenland which is part of the European Union via Denmark for years, the only difference is that Russia doesn’t shout about this.

He is putting America first. And does not care about diplomacy.

The Democrats funded and there were more wars during their time in office. Employment was at an all time high under Trump. More billionaires funded the Democrats campaign. But that’s okay because “Trump”.

What’s your definition of “the right”?
Not keen on democracy?

I think the plan is to get friendly politicians into power in order to do away with regulation to open a better market in Europe for American businesses.

Workers rights, market regulations, food standards, licensing all get in their way.

They are always motivated by profit. That's their main belief over and above any kind of political ideology.

Especially those who are convicted of 34 felonies for business fraud, and get ZERO punishment—no probation, no community service, no fine, no jail time. NOTHING. I can’t think of anyone else convicted by a jury of their peers (x34, nonetheless!) who gets to walk away, unscathed.

Be careful what you wish for…”I welcome any destabilising of the UK” could end very badly.

Blowing shit up never ends well.

Your comment about not knowing about Greenland makes me think you haven’t taken on board much about current events and the world around us. Perhaps study some history before suggesting that we destabilise the country, eh?

Because he wants all other countries to become a state of the United States. First Canada and Greenland. Where next?

Unemployment was actually lower under Biden.

Blimey, that’s some statement.

Let’s hope the instability arrives at your door first.

Agreed.

Absolutely. Appalling.

It seems like Musk will take on the roll of president this month. He seems to be the mouth piece of the Orange One.

Trump will tire of Musk eventually. I don't really think Musk counts for much other than in the present time. Trump will have a close security of core Whitehouse and national security advisers who hone his decisions.

…Because like all of this “type” they:

1. need to create a common enemy, as it helps to galvanise their support (see Farage)
2. say outlandish things, that will never happen to distract the world away from the terrible things / incompetence there are actually doing. (see Boris Johnson)
3. Rich White Men, playing games with peoples lives entertains them (see any Roman Emporer)

It will all come crashing down at some point

Donald is that you or Musk talking here? It's a load of shite which ever way you look at it.

Would that be on the rape gang threads where you advocated that Labour take over the moderation of all social media? That X and Facebook were banned? That as the child rapes happened years ago, they should no longer be discussed? And also that the Pakistani pedophiles were ‘dark and handsome’?

It sounds like you have quite the crush on me. I am flattered honestly but I’m really not worth that level of obsession 😘

I don't see Trump and Farage as having equal capabilities. Farage is destructive. He has no skills for rebuilding any system he dissembles. Where, within Reform, does that actually exist? Trump is different - he has the power of the USA political and economic machinery which will get behind him, and to some extent taper and steer him. The US administration is quite different to Reform UK or even any British Government.

These types of leaders seem very good at painting their friends as their enemies and their real enemies as people they can do business with. See Brexit as the best example of this. I don't know why they do it or why voters swallow it.
I saw on TV just before the US election Muslim voters in America saying they wouldn't be voting for Harris because of her lack of support of Palestinians and support for Israel, they were voting for Trump instead. I was astonished that they thought Trump would be a better POTUS for Palestinians.

Only Hungary and Italy have a right wing government among the EU nations. The Italian PM Giorgia Meloni wants nothing to do with AfD in Germany either. The far right leader Geert Wilders got the largest popular with vote in Holland - 27%. But he is struggling to form a coalition under PR. With First Past the Post he might have a handy majority?
France, Spain , Germany, Poland all centre left or centre right. Ditto Portugal, Ireland, Greece. Support for xenophobia will tend to rise in bad economic times of course. But are the media playing it up a bit ?

It was more about the games these people play. There was an excellent series a few years ago called “The Power of Nightmares” , and the lies told by neo-conservatives, the creation of a common enemy (that they created themselves), to unite people.