President Trump: Why is his incoming administration desperate to destroy Europe with political and economic turmoil?

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If it were China or Islamic State behaving in a way Trump and Musk are regarding Greenland, Canada, threats of regime change in the UK and essentially aggressively trying to destabilize every European ‘ally’, we’d be calling in Ambassadors, freezing assets etc.

They haven’t even been sworn in yet and are causing chaos and stress.

The way they are behaving you’d think they wanted armed conflict with all their allies.

Although I’m aware Trumps voters don’t care what we think of them, I don’t think many of the rest of the world will ever forgive them for what they’ve inflicted on the rest of us. Yes give into stupidity and feel good chanting four word slogans, but contain it within your own borders, don’t harm the rest of the world with it.

As a Trump voter:

I hope we can purchase Greenland. It is already strategically valuable and it
seems like it would be commercially valuable too, and I have doubts that Denmark will do anything significant with it, even when the glaciers recede further.

I would not ever want to take over Canada (we have always joked about the ‘Day of the Rake’ lol) as the demographics are not favorable to the American electorate.

But with their open immigration policies, there is potential for hostile foreign influence to take over. Already they’ve imported race riots from India.

They brag about being a post-national country, so one wonders if they really care about being a ‘sovereign’ country or what sovereignty really means in a post-national country. They’ve disavowed their French-Anglo roots and then want people to respect their independence? What’s the point? What is to stop them from selling themselves to the country that can offer them the best deal?

As for Europe, it is preferable that you kind of go your own way. I don’t want to be in NATO, I don’t want to fight Russia ever. That’s a European’s game, imho

Also America is the richest and strongest country in the world, who do they need to aggressively stick up for themselves against? Denmark? I’m more inclined to believe they wish to do oil exploration in Greenland

There is nothing wrong with extracting oil and rare earth metals. Greenland will be an amazing opportunity once the glaciers recede further. I don’t trust Denmark to do much with it tbh

Europe is going through ructions without america as it is. There have been been problems for years, trump will probably make things worse but the problems were already there. Theres nothing really new here.

Angling for Chinese investment is an interesting tactic. I mean not much help is needed Chinese investors buy a lot here and around the world already

Surely it’s long term control that’s wanted and the type of thing we could question why did we do that in a couple of decades in speeding that up

Europe acts as a world charity and it is not even self sufficient. In the U.K. taxes go to into helping poorer countries by taking a large amount of their people with low education and low skills. About time the people see what they are getting in return for real.
I realise I won’t be able to save for my retirement here and won’t be able to afford a near decent end of life by carrying on like this. Stark contrast to my friends and family in the US. Also, people here are of the mentality that being richer is bad. Something the new government is keen on as seen with the taxes on private schools. Even to have a holiday abroad is not deem important against paying for others. Bloody crazy so let’s see where it all ends with Europe.

I didn’t realise Canada had an open immigration policy? I have two sets of friends who are highly educated and have filled out all of the necessary paperwork to move there and they’ve heard nothing for years.

One is a scientist and has been doing degrees since I’ve known him (10 years) and his wife is an Occupational Therapist. The other couple have similar credentials and are highly qualified.

It’s surprising they have an open immigration policy yet the above couples can’t get a look in!

Canada does not have ‘open immigration’. If you don’t fit their criteria you don’t get in.
Otherwise half of the UK would be trying to move there.

It’s not open permanent immigration, it’s an explosion in work visas, initially in tech and expanding out into other industries where your residency is tied to you keeping the job you’ve been brought over to do. Similar to the HB1 visas in America.

With some of these visas, workers can also bring relatives with them. Firms like ‘X’ love these visas because it means a compliant workforce who’ll take all types of shit because they risk deportation if they lose the job.

What a ridiculous thing to say. Trump doesn't care about Europe.

That’s what I thought.

I see that where I am with the Indian (nationals) workforce. Poor bastards work all hours, and weekends. We know they are not compensated.

@Rivett I know two people moved there, husband was a plasterer and they needed plasterer they, he even had to go out and do a plaster to show he could do it.
They live there now.

Most countries are extremely strict (and rightly so) with allowing in people with the actual skills they do need.

Exactly this! Well said!

Since this is clearly not really a binary question, I wish you would have posted it in the Politics forum, where it would rightly belong. I'm wondering if most posters even know a Politics forum exists.

Yes, I pretty much agree with this.

I don't think he's trying to destabilize Europe, I think he's trying to consolidate American stability, particularly economically, by rebuilding a healthy and relatively independent economy. His action in this direction are revealing just how precarious the stability of the west is already.

Will it work, I don't know, but it's not a crazy idea. The way Trump talks seems nutty at times, but I think it's foolish to ignore and make light, as Europe did when he pointed out the stupidity of an energy policy depended on Russia.

So to you, left just means "good guys" and right is "baddies".

How old were you when someone told you that?

In America’s eyes being the most ‘powerful’ nation means subjugating everyone else.
As the richest nation they have been funding a lot of security costs, and want to pull that money. Poor Americans think that they’ll have more money themselves as a results. Obvs not going to happen, always the richest nation ones who gain more.
I think they’re in for a shock when the realise the ‘respect’ the US has very much depended on the $$$.

Elon has already promised a $5000 tax rebate for the top tax payers as a result of his DOGE “savings.”

There was an HIV clinic in South Africa who had its USAID funding pulled and literally closed its doors overnight. 300 pregnant women who were on drugs to prevent the transmission of HIV to their babies. 300 babies now likely to be unnecessarily born with HIV. Oh, the irony of the RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD pulling the funding from the poorest prople in the world; in his home country of South Africa.

And the Trump team negotiated some deal with the Romanian authorities, resulting in Andrew Tate being returned home to the US from his Romanian prison cell earlier this week. This just gets better and better.