President Trump: Why is his incoming administration desperate to destroy Europe with political and economic turmoil?

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If it were China or Islamic State behaving in a way Trump and Musk are regarding Greenland, Canada, threats of regime change in the UK and essentially aggressively trying to destabilize every European ‘ally’, we’d be calling in Ambassadors, freezing assets etc.

They haven’t even been sworn in yet and are causing chaos and stress.

The way they are behaving you’d think they wanted armed conflict with all their allies.

Although I’m aware Trumps voters don’t care what we think of them, I don’t think many of the rest of the world will ever forgive them for what they’ve inflicted on the rest of us. Yes give into stupidity and feel good chanting four word slogans, but contain it within your own borders, don’t harm the rest of the world with it.

I think a lot of the noise online is manufactured by Russia, but even if it is, the left will mobilise and we will defeat the rise of fascism. We always do.

For what it's worth I've not read that blog she wrote for. And there was context missing from the wiki entry, but whatever. I obviously don't support anyone that genuinely holds that or any other racist views.

To quote you “No thanks”.

True, but Greenlanders are EU citizens.

Well, I don't support or defend any such views. As I said upthread, nothing is reputable. Everything has to be judged carefully in its context and sometimes something of value can be found when all else must be discarded and guarded against.

Rubbish. The left have only ever been part of the movements that have defeated fascism. It has taken the concerted efforts of people from all walks of life to defeat fascism and that will remain the case. You don't honestly put the families of Roosevelt and Churchill on left do you?

You're just an attention seeker, aren't you?

I've not been my better self today. I'm not trying to seek attention, I'm just frustrated by what I see as unnecessary polarisation. But the best thing to do would be log off and touch grass.

How? Like during the Spanish Civil War? “The Red Terror”? Or Pol Pot & his Year Zero? Or the multi millions Stalin killed during his tenure? Yeah, let’s hear it for The Left… 🙄

None of those atrocities were committed on the side of the left. To be left is to abhor violence, to want to solve disputes through diplomacy and mediation. Murder and violence is the wheelhouse of the right I think you’ll find, and not even the far right either. Centre right adherents can be just as bloodthirsty.

None of those atrocities were committed on the side of the left.

They absolutely were. That’s The Left, warts and all, inconvenient I know.

This is what you said. When specifically? You said “always” so there must be multiple examples.

B0xes · Today 09:58
I think that might change at the next election

Fear that you’re correct, though I guess veering to extremes one way or another may be necessary in eventually finding a sensible balance🤷‍♀️

True. No point in pretending otherwise

Like those gentle folk The Communist Party of Nepal, hell bent on destroying the monarchy, parliament and even bombed schools and colleges in this century?

To be fair, this is not true. Soviet revolutionaries were as bloodthirsty as they come, for starters. And they were VERY left.

In my view, extreme left has a lot in common with the extreme right. Different ideology, same methods.

Extremists tend to do extreme things.

Oh my. You really have no idea

Trump will have steam coming out of his ears.

"British treasurer Rachel Reeves said Saturday that London was a "natural home" for Chinese finance during a visit to Beijing in the shadow of bond market turmoil back home."

Someone suggested we could become their latest Belt and Road initiative.
I hope they were joking.

Out of her depth again.

It was Chinese and other (states) that invested (disguised through Singapore and UAE companies) in our capital PFIs. It was a great idea when interest rates and inflation were low, but nobody factored in down the lines the renewal costs while still servicing the investors' debt repayments. Someone must have looked at the small print and thought "this is not a good idea". And they did and got demoted.

Then you have the average individual UHNW Chinese buyer trying to get money out of China at the rate of £1m a year to invest in London residential property because we will protect property rights. That's great until it means we bubble up our property values and force those weakest on the housing ladder into inflated rentals which the state will pay well into their retirement. No wonder the personal tax allowance has been frozen - the state is not a vacuum. We all will pay. Your average Chinese investor successfully hiding their money in weird and wonderful shapes - such as Hexagonal Apartments - will never visit those properties. They will spend £4,000 a year on heating an empty apartment and not visit the UK so not even £100 x 2 on a taxi ride once a year to check on the property. IFH = Investing from Home.

But Rachel has no idea about what goes on with Chinese investment, no idea at all. She could have saved the trip and asked me, or the average London solicitor, or her colleagues from the Blair years who really know what is going on.

But no, Rachel just keeps bluffing.

Yep its called the horseshoe theory. YOu go far enough to the Left or Right that you more or less meet.

I so confused I thought China was bad we can't trust any tech even air fryer are spying onus

The thing is, you could play devils advocate and argue that while China is an autocratic state completely out for its own interests who violently oppresses Uyghurs etc.... It doesn't tend to interfere much with the internal workings of other countries. So long as you pay the money on any loans it gives you, and are a strategic ally you can do what you want internally. Whereas America has always interfered a bit with the affairs of African countries, South American countries. Even Australia in 1975. If thats demands about serious human rights abuses thats one thing (though probably still annoying to the populace.) Now though you have the American president threatening to invade allies, Musk trying to make demands on what the UK does/calling for an election and as the thread titles says in general actively trying to undermine stability. So you could argue, they are more dangerous as an ally than China.

Thats not really what I think. But its a viewpoint. And since it is so unpredictable what Trumps administration is going to be like (is he going to tone it up, tone it down etc?) and no-one knows what Germany's government is going to look like. And Russia considers the UK an enemy, it would be really really stupid to deliberately antagonise China or burn bridges. That doesn't mean give them anything they want or compromise security (they have been spying on us!) but equally burning bridges would be stupid. Especially if the economy is going tits up and America might be going for massive tarrifs. You talk to everyone you can because you can't really control what steps other countries are going to be taking.

Interesting that a few PP believe Trump is ‘sticking up for Americans’. I disagree. Only two weeks ago he backed Musk when he foolishly let slip his plan to replace loads of America workers with easily exploitable Indians on HB1 visas.

Trump sticks up for the interests of the Trumps and other billionaires. That’s it.

Also America is the richest and strongest country in the world, who do they need to aggressively stick up for themselves against? Denmark? I’m more inclined to believe they wish to do oil exploration in Greenland.