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Brilliant article about the rape gangs in the UK

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Petrine · 08/01/2025 10:07

I’ve put this on AIBU as it appears to be most read. A brilliant article about the rape gangs and the ensuing cover up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/elon-musk-has-ripped-cloak-of-deceit-off-britain-scandal/

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lifeturnsonadime · 09/01/2025 11:31

PeppyGreenFinch · 09/01/2025 11:26

Any time someone tries to expose the racist stereotyping of Muslims, you and your cohort throw around the accusation of apologist, with zero evidence.

It is not racist stereotyping to point out the FACT that there is evidence of institutional cover ups for fear of racism, this is clearly evidenced. Are you saying the reports are wrong and are based on lies?

Caring more about the protecting the perpetrators than justice for the victims does make you an apologist under any reasonable interpretation.

There is something seriously wrong with a mentality that does this.

lifeturnsonadime · 09/01/2025 11:33

Dideon · 09/01/2025 11:29

Does anyone know why me asking happy panda if she had studied Third World Studies would have been deleted ?

It was probably deemed a personal attack. You can email Mumsnet to ask, they will tell you.

Mabelmable · 09/01/2025 11:35

@HappyPanda613 on page 1 says "Why are you being so hostile towards me? This is exactly what I am scared about, the far right have made everybody so angry at each other and attack each other over crimes that were committed years ago. Can’t you see you are being manipulated by extremists who want to destabilise the west and sow discord between communities to further their own twisted agenda"?
Some people are hostile to you because you appear to want to hush it up.
I dispute that it is the far right raising this issue. Only Musk is far right. No extremists have posted as I see.
People are angry because the Local Authorities did nothing and may have been complicit in the rapes of these children.
An enquiry where witnesses can be forced to appear and where evidence is under oath is the best chance of ensuring it stops.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 11:36

People are angry because the Local Authorities did nothing and may have been complicit in the rapes of these children.
An enquiry where witnesses can be forced to appear and where evidence is under oath is the best chance of ensuring it stops.

Yes. I'm open to ideas about how else this can be done, but that's my best guess at what would be needed.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 09/01/2025 11:37

Dideon · 09/01/2025 11:29

Does anyone know why me asking happy panda if she had studied Third World Studies would have been deleted ?

Yet the vile They Chose It Post is still standing.

PeppyGreenFinch · 09/01/2025 11:37

lifeturnsonadime · 09/01/2025 11:31

It is not racist stereotyping to point out the FACT that there is evidence of institutional cover ups for fear of racism, this is clearly evidenced. Are you saying the reports are wrong and are based on lies?

Caring more about the protecting the perpetrators than justice for the victims does make you an apologist under any reasonable interpretation.

There is something seriously wrong with a mentality that does this.

Can you point out where I was a rape apologist?

If you go back and read my posts, I have supported the people genuinely trying to make a difference, like Jess Phillips.

Anyone who saw her confront agitators both white and Asian last summer knows she is not interested in getting anyone’s favour, her priority is the victims.

I’m sorry, but I do not believe most of the people on this thread or Musk or Badenoch care about the victims. If they did, they would let Jess get on with her work.

The timing and tone of this latest furore just shows how racist and anti-Muslim the agenda is.

BananaAppleOrange · 09/01/2025 11:39

we should learn from the summer riots - a frenzy of violence stoked by misinformation

That is an interesting comparison - violence stoked by with-holding of information and misinformation by the police and government leading to frustration within the community leading to further violence. The initial official suggestion was that the murder of young girls was carried out by a Welsh Christian. Do you not think the riots could have been avoided had the police and government not attempted to cover up the true motivation, religion and ethnicity of the attacker but addressed this head on? Remember Starmer called those who said it was a Islamic terror attack “far right” then too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

Images of three young girls alongside each other. All three are smiling

Axel Rudakubana: Southport murders accused facing terror charge

Axel Rudakubana is accused of producing the poison ricin and possessing a study of an al-Qaeda training manual.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

JRSKSSBH · 09/01/2025 11:40

Dalmau · 09/01/2025 07:26

How on earth have you missed the worldwide epidemic of online grooming abuse and rape mostly facilitated by Meta? How?

Why so keen to refocus the discussion away from Pakistani-heritage rapists???

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 11:42

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 09:12

PO and Blood scandal inquires are on going, compensation v slow and have taken many years, meanwhile people die waiting for justice.

So I ask, do you think they shouldn't have happened?

I'm going to ask this again. Forget about this call for an inquiry. Do posters honestly feel the Post Office and Infected Blood inquiries are a waste of time?

It's been cited many times by various posters that this is why no one should be calling for one in this case.

If you do feel this, that those inquiries shouldn't have happened, I'm interested in your reasons.

EasternStandard · 09/01/2025 11:44

PeppyGreenFinch · 09/01/2025 11:37

Can you point out where I was a rape apologist?

If you go back and read my posts, I have supported the people genuinely trying to make a difference, like Jess Phillips.

Anyone who saw her confront agitators both white and Asian last summer knows she is not interested in getting anyone’s favour, her priority is the victims.

I’m sorry, but I do not believe most of the people on this thread or Musk or Badenoch care about the victims. If they did, they would let Jess get on with her work.

The timing and tone of this latest furore just shows how racist and anti-Muslim the agenda is.

This seems an attempt to limit discussion on an issue many women find important

lifeturnsonadime · 09/01/2025 11:45

Can you point out where I was a rape apologist?

It's clear throughout the thread that you have minimised the harms of the victims and suggested those of us who have highlighted the cover up are racist/ Islamophobes or far right.

Again it is not the race/ religion of the perpetratiors that makes this an issue it is the cover up because of their race/ religion.

You want this cover up to continue because you don't think the race/ religion should be highlighted.

This means you care more about the identity of the men being protected than the safety of the abused girls. That is apology.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 11:46

This issue is about justice. It's about recognising great wrongs. That's what inquiries are supposed to do, right wrongs and give people a voice. The Stephen Lawrence inquiry was much needed to tackle racism in the police. Are all inquiries worthless?

PeppyGreenFinch · 09/01/2025 11:47

EasternStandard · 09/01/2025 11:44

This seems an attempt to limit discussion on an issue many women find important

I’ve seen precious little discussion on the recommendations from the existing £200m, 7 year long enquiry and how they could help victims or how they could be improved.

I wonder if people want to kick the issue down the road for another 7 years so they can keep beating this anti-Muslim drum.

Gunnersforthecup · 09/01/2025 11:47

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 11:30

Andrew Norfolk, chief investigative journalist at the Times, spent 4 years trying to clarify and publicize what was going on with these rape gangs.

It looks as though Nazir Afzal and Keir Starmer acted pretty appropriately in the circumstances.

And, according to Andrew Norfolk, the young women involved were themselves very upset by Elon Musk's interventions, which were inappropriate. And triggering.

Yes I did also post an extract from a Times piece of his published yesterday. He thinks more needs to be done and like Maggie Oliver, was disappointed that the inquiry shied away from looking at these gangs as a specific phenomenon.

"[Norfolk] stopped short of calling for a national public inquiry as he questioned how it would help victims of the scandal.
Norfolk, who retired in November, also expressed incredulity at online misinformation and claims of a cover-up given his reporting led to a string of independent inquiries, resignations, police investigations and successful prosecutions."

Having said that there appear to have been a number of other journalists and MPs calling for action to be taken over the years, Julie Bindel et al, so not just Norfolk either.

I think that it is misguided to see this as an easy issue to have managed. It is on the one hand truly appalling, but there were complications in terms of how to organise the evidence, when the young women had been deliberately disorientated, for example by alcohol and drugs. The rules for evidence had to be changed, apparently, and it is very good that this was done.

And Keir Starmer seems to have been very involved in trying to improve this process. So it is a bit puzzling that some people are using this to attack him. This isn't a weal spot for him.

So while more does remain to be done,and Yvette Cooper has given understakings on that, it isn't clear to me that Elon Musk (or Allison Pearson) is helping really.

Calls for major police inquiry on ‘grotesque’ sex gangs

An investigation by The Times into the sexual exploitation of hundreds of young girls sparked calls yesterday for a national police inquiry as Nick Clegg described the actions of criminal pimping

https://www.thetimes.com/article/calls-for-major-police-inquiry-on-grotesque-sex-gangs-mwscj8gskr9

Gunnersforthecup · 09/01/2025 11:49

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 11:46

This issue is about justice. It's about recognising great wrongs. That's what inquiries are supposed to do, right wrongs and give people a voice. The Stephen Lawrence inquiry was much needed to tackle racism in the police. Are all inquiries worthless?

No, inquiries aren't worthless.

But we have had the inquiry, we need to focus on the recommendations and having some action now.

PeppyGreenFinch · 09/01/2025 11:50

lifeturnsonadime · 09/01/2025 11:45

Can you point out where I was a rape apologist?

It's clear throughout the thread that you have minimised the harms of the victims and suggested those of us who have highlighted the cover up are racist/ Islamophobes or far right.

Again it is not the race/ religion of the perpetratiors that makes this an issue it is the cover up because of their race/ religion.

You want this cover up to continue because you don't think the race/ religion should be highlighted.

This means you care more about the identity of the men being protected than the safety of the abused girls. That is apology.

So you have zero examples. Thought so.

When people start throwing around terms like ‘Muslim Monsters’, the thread gets derailed and loses all credibility.

You have not once challenged the racism on this thread. So doesn’t that make you the apologist?

Alexandra2001 · 09/01/2025 11:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 11:46

This issue is about justice. It's about recognising great wrongs. That's what inquiries are supposed to do, right wrongs and give people a voice. The Stephen Lawrence inquiry was much needed to tackle racism in the police. Are all inquiries worthless?

No of course not but we've had several into CSA, very little has been done or implemented.

Hence why some victims want action not another inquiry, others feel differently.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 11:50

And Keir Starmer seems to have been very involved in trying to improve this process. So it is a bit puzzling that some people are using this to attack him. This isn't a weal spot for him.

Because he's the PM, not the DPP any more. The buck stops with him now. They didn't bother to act on the recommendations any more than the Tories did. It's alleged that Musk forced his hand. I don't know whether that's true, but Maggie Oliver thinks so.

lifeturnsonadime · 09/01/2025 11:51

PeppyGreenFinch · 09/01/2025 11:50

So you have zero examples. Thought so.

When people start throwing around terms like ‘Muslim Monsters’, the thread gets derailed and loses all credibility.

You have not once challenged the racism on this thread. So doesn’t that make you the apologist?

Plenty of examples all through the thread.

These Muslim men are monsters, they sodomised little girls.

There's something wrong with you if you think they are not monsters.

EasternStandard · 09/01/2025 11:52

PeppyGreenFinch · 09/01/2025 11:47

I’ve seen precious little discussion on the recommendations from the existing £200m, 7 year long enquiry and how they could help victims or how they could be improved.

I wonder if people want to kick the issue down the road for another 7 years so they can keep beating this anti-Muslim drum.

People are saying both can happen. I think the opposite of kicking it down the road any longer but focusing on it

Winter2020 · 09/01/2025 11:53

Bernardscheesyhat · 09/01/2025 11:29

I don’t object to an enquiry, or to the implementation of recommendations from previous enquiries. I would trust to those in authority to decide which of these options works and I would hold them to account for implementation. As we should have been doing for all of the governments in charge since this scandal first came to light.

I have not denied that pockets of Muslim society and some behaviours are problematic for UK society. We need to deal with these issues, but without being led by the nose by Musk. Some on this thread may have rational positions, he clearly does not. He is stoking up anger and division in countries that he doesn’t live in, like a man baby smashing up his toys just for lolz.

we should learn from the summer riots - a frenzy of violence stoked by misinformation and lives destroyed on both sides.

I would say the summer riots were stoked again by cover ups which left a vacuum to be filled. If the authorities could understand and deliver truth the vast majority of the population would be patient to wait for justice to be done. Again the truth was/is hidden because it doesn't suit the agenda of those in authority.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 11:53

No of course not but we've had several into CSA, very little has been done or implemented.

Not really the point. This is a specific phenomenon and it's never been the subject of an inquiry properly on a nationwide scale.

As you say, some survivors want one and some don't, possibly because they are totally disillusioned by how badly they've been treated by the authorities to date.

Gunnersforthecup · 09/01/2025 11:55

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 11:50

And Keir Starmer seems to have been very involved in trying to improve this process. So it is a bit puzzling that some people are using this to attack him. This isn't a weal spot for him.

Because he's the PM, not the DPP any more. The buck stops with him now. They didn't bother to act on the recommendations any more than the Tories did. It's alleged that Musk forced his hand. I don't know whether that's true, but Maggie Oliver thinks so.

The Tories had since 2022 didn't they? Their omissions do not immediately become the fault of the new incumbents as soon as they take up office. It is less than a year.

PeppyGreenFinch · 09/01/2025 11:55

lifeturnsonadime · 09/01/2025 11:51

Plenty of examples all through the thread.

These Muslim men are monsters, they sodomised little girls.

There's something wrong with you if you think they are not monsters.

Edited

Pp tried to create a defined term - ‘Muslim
Monster’ in capitals.

if you can’t see this is racist then there is no hope for you.

JRSKSSBH · 09/01/2025 11:55

HappyPanda613 · 09/01/2025 09:49

Well said.

The Pakistani community of this country has been completely thrown under the bus by the establishment and people, who would rather succumb to petty tribal squabbles, over introspection about the rape culture and misogyny that is rife in British society.

Of course, no community is perfect, but studies have shown repeatedly that ethnic minorities in this country are much more hard working, law abiding and less misogynistic than the pre-existing population. This lie cannot be allowed to be perpetuated any longer, and I’m glad people are starting to show up in this thread with facts and reason to shine light on the hateful bigots.

Your generalised assertions are, in fact, incorrect. As reported by various papers this week, a landmark study has found that migrants are 3 times more likely to be arrested for sex crimes. A Swedish study found a strong link, even after statistical adjustments, between an immigrant back ground and rape convictions. Front page of today’s Times, founder of an organisation that monitors anti-Muslim hate quotes as saying, we need greater understanding of why there has been a concentration of men of Pakistani heritage in these gangs”.

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