Brilliant article about the rape gangs in the UK

[Petrine]

I’ve put this on AIBU as it appears to be most read. A brilliant article about the rape gangs and the ensuing cover up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/elon-musk-has-ripped-cloak-of-deceit-off-britain-scandal/

I must indeed have been living under a rock as I'd obviously seen some of the convictions in the news, but had no idea of the range of time or the huge numbers involved.

For victims of abuse generally, it's terrible that two years later your perpetrator is allowed back to the same area.

I'm angry - so much more needs to be done for victims of abuse.

I cannot understand groups of men colluding - as in that French Pelicot mass rape case it's so evil I I struggle to understand how that was normalised for them.

There does need to be both action and, further inquiry it's obvious.

I don't care who raised it - and there have been many inquiries into the Catholic Church abuses with different terms.

This was for @Dalmau

You are saying making an inquiry into the case will cover up online abuse? It is not possible to focus on two separate issues we have to only consider the bigger issue?

Yes, the white community needs to come out and condemn this. Why are they silent?

I think it's possible to make a coherent argument that Starmer can be judged both on his track record of prosecuting rape gang members, and on his track record of working against deportations of foreign criminals.

No I’m saying a Muslim witch hunt and anti Muslim rhetoric isn’t going to help, quite the reverse.

Also it has been made abundantly clear by many working closely with victimss that an enquiry isn’t needed or wanted as it will simply delay measures from being put into place.

It is quite clear that many of the victims do want an inquiry and that there is absolutely no reason why such an inquiry would delay the recommendations from previous inquiries from being implemented.

@Dalmau So the reason you think that there should not be an inquiry is because the victims (or some of them) don't want it? If they did (or some of them did) should there be one?

I've not been asking for a Muslim witch hunt, the Muslim witch hunt will only happen when people push back on a legitimate enquiry or the platform to legitimately ask questions without being called a racist. People believe it is that attitude which allowed abuse to carry on unquestioned in the first place. It is that exact thing that needs to be looked into.

In this instance it is a Muslim problem. There is a clear pattern of abuse that needs to be investigated and understood. This isn’t an either/ or situation so stop being reductive in your thinking. UK sex gangs by men of Pakistani heritage should be exposed just as all sexual abuse should be exposed.

Yes. No sacred castes. Not BBC presenters who run marathons and prey on children, not Catholic priests who prey on children, not organised gangs of men from particular cultures preying on children. None.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp836w074gko.amp

So you know better. 🙄

It is quite clear that many of the victims do want an inquiry and that there is absolutely no reason why such an inquiry would delay the recommendations from previous inquiries from being implemented.

I agree. It's a total deflection.

@Dalmau you didn't assert my question. The article says -"Ms Oliver said she was unsure if victims wanted a new national inquiry"

Answer

I don’t need to,my views echo those in the link.

@Dalmau right. Excellent point well made.

I imagine the victims are fed up with weaselling words and deflection and fear a new inquiry would bring nothing more. Their support for it would depend on the scope of the inquiry.

But safeguarding is not the responsibility of victims. Holding the victims responsible for an inquiry is no different to saying it is their fault more girls were abused because they didn’t make enough fuss.

No, this isn’t what they NEED to say - it’s what you want them to say because of your personal views.

They’ve referenced their data source for their claim most perpetrators of group based SA are white and it’s a reputable organisation funded by the Home Office and hosted by Barnardos.

If the issue is Pakistani Muslim men, like you claim, they couldn’t put out a statement saying so many Muslim men and referring to Muslim men throughout - the majority of Muslims in the UK aren’t of Pakistani heritage. If it’s one segment of the Muslim community and you believe an investigation is needed to find out why they do it, surely it’s too early to assume it’s driven by religion rather than ethnicity?

Maggie Oliver, a former Greater Manchester Police (GMP) detective who resigned in 2012 over poor handling of abuse cases in Rochdale, said it had taken "an international spotlight on our country" to prompt the measures announced by the home secretary.
She told BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour that "nothing had happened in the two-and-a-half years since those recommendations were made".
Ms Oliver said she was unsure if victims wanted a new national inquiry, adding: "The question has to be, what is the public inquiry for? Who will lead it? What are the terms of reference? Are victims and survivors going to be front and central? I would also argue that we fully know what the problem is and the time is for action."

Maggie Oliver is not impressed by the last inquiry so she's wary of inquiries in general. She sees it as a wasted opportunity to look at the problem of these specific gangs and they left out much of the evidence she gave to it at their request. Here it is for anyone who wants to read it. Listen to her.

www.themaggieoliverfoundation.com/images/in-the-media/Margaret-Oliver-Witness-Statement-IICSA-2.pdf

Exactly.

It's clear that certain posters just think it's best for everyone if it gets shoved under the carpet. Many of these girls have never had justice.

Well yes of course they would be sceptical....

PO and Blood scandal inquires are on going, compensation v slow and have taken many years, meanwhile people die waiting for justice.

I ve read or heard of nothing that a new inquiry would do that the previous ones haven't covered.... that of course wont be everyone's opinion.

The Government needs to get on and implement the 20 recommendations first and the CPS/Police need to investigate/prosecute wherever possible.

With on going monitoring of CSA as the reforms are enacted.

I can't believe that we are 35 pages in to this thread and there are still posters who are more concerned that the perpetrators are part of a minority group than the fact that they horrifically sexually abused minors.

This is where there are clear parallels with the way we have been silenced on sexual abusers who are men who identify as women.

Sadly time and again women and children are the bottom of the heap. Nothing is learnt.

The 'righteous' care more about the men than the women and the children.

And TRULY BELIEVE they are righteous.

In this instance, these muslim men were MONSTERS.

The men who raped Gisele Pelicot, I think were mostly white they were also MONSTERS.

The catholic priests who preyed on children in boarding schools and care settings were MONSTERS.

It is NOT racist to call this group of Muslims monsters. It is not racist to ask why and how this cover up was allowed to happen.

Elon Musk is both a distraction and a detractor. No one would be talking about this if there wasn't an issue to be looked at. Why is it that groups of Muslim men behaved in this way and the police and others largely turned a blind eye? Many of these men were born in the UK. This is as valid a question as asking why multiple white men lined up to rape a drugged Gisele Pelicot.

Those who object to talking about this do you also object to trying to understand what happened to make those white men behave in that way?

If not why not?

A further inquiry is the very definition of "shoving under the carpet" they take an age to set up, take years to report and then with a new Govt in power & the public having forgotten all about CSA once again, costs come into play and nothing gets done.

I ve read or heard of nothing that a new inquiry would do that the previous ones haven't covered....

Maggie Oliver is not impressed by the last inquiry so she's wary of inquiries in general. She sees it as a wasted opportunity to look at the problem of these specific gangs and they left out much of the evidence she gave to it at their request.

No it isn’t.

Why do you persist in pretending the outstanding recommendations cannot be implemented while a new enquiry takes place? The two are not mutually exclusive of course.

What are you trying to hide?

As opposed to… what?