Brilliant article about the rape gangs in the UK

[Petrine]

I’ve put this on AIBU as it appears to be most read. A brilliant article about the rape gangs and the ensuing cover up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/elon-musk-has-ripped-cloak-of-deceit-off-britain-scandal/

Victims want action not another inquiry. I work within this field and victims of abuse want accountability from not only the perpetrators but also the system that didn’t believe the victims.

@Jazzicatz aren't both things possible?

Nothing, i just believe they are now a waste of time and energy & i explained earlier why you cannot have an inquiry whilst recommendations enacted.

How would you like it if i accused you of wanting an inquiry to "shove it under the carpet"?

Your posts smack of trying to shut me up, i'm as entitled to an alternative view as you are, if you cannot debate, thats your problem

They’ve referenced their data source for their claim most perpetrators of group based SA are white and it’s a reputable organisation funded by the Home Office and hosted by Barnardos.

Its spin. This is a white majority country so of course most perpetrators of any crime are white. They also are lacking in much of the data needed to draw this conclusion.
The perpetrators in this particular form of organised sexual assault are mostly from a particular culture. The victims are mostly white. There are common cultural features to these crimes. It was also part of why they were effective that the problem was brushed under the carpet by people in authority. So it is relevant, and it's doing the victims a disservice to pretend it isn't and handwave it away.

Maybe we should treat these specific crimes as racially aggravated hate crime as Maggie Oliver suggests in her evidence, which the inquiry left out? I think there's a good argument for that. It would likely be if reversed.

Catholic priests are a tiny proportion of all sex crimes of any ethnicity, but they are considered significant for some very good reasons. No sacred castes.

Victims want action not another inquiry. I work within this field and victims of abuse want accountability from not only the perpetrators but also the system that didn’t believe the victims.

I don't personally see any way of getting that accountability than some type of inquiry/investigation. The "recommendations" Starmer is falling back on do not do this.

@Alexandra2001 - I’m
sorry if you interpret my posts as trying to shut you up. I have only posted twice on this thread and have posed my questions politely so I’m not clear how you reach that conclusion.

You did not answer my previous point. Implement the recommendations urgently and launch a new enquiry into the cover up. What is your issue with that approach?

A further inquiry is the very definition of "shoving under the carpet" they take an age to set up, take years to report and then with a new Govt in power & the public having forgotten all about CSA once again, costs come into play and nothing gets done.

It depends on the scope. How else can we achieve justice for these girls and ensure that the enablers face some sort of consequences?

You did not answer my previous point. Implement the recommendations urgently and launch a new enquiry into the cover up. What is your issue with that approach?

Yes, my thought too.

But why is it necessary? Inquiries are expensive and time consuming and requires victims to once again go over the terrible abuse they suffered. It it had a purpose then fine, but this is just being used for political gain and has nothing to do with that is in the best interests of the victims.

It wouldn't be able to be used for political gain so effectively if it had been tackled properly originally. It's just an excuse.

i explained earlier why you cannot have an inquiry whilst recommendations enacted.

You’ve stated this but it isn’t true. There is absolutely nothing to stop the implementation of recommendations from previous inquiries whilst investigating matters that overlap with that inquiry.

PO and Blood scandal inquires are on going, compensation v slow and have taken many years, meanwhile people die waiting for justice.

So I ask, do you think they shouldn't have happened?

Can there be no blood transfusions while the inquiry was ongoing? Can no one post a letter?

Because the abuse has not stopped.

Ok point taking, i have mistaken you for another poster/another thread, apologises.

So, we have a new inquiry, recommendations implemented, which takes time, not least to see if they work.....

Meanwhile the new inquiry is investigating/reporting on things not yet done but will be and on things done but not yet given time to work.... OR they have to wait years for the measures to all be implemented... more delay.

Imho, it would be incomplete and quite frankly a mess.

However, i also want the Govt to go further than the 20 recommendations, not least on Police & CPS reform, sentencing guidelines and compensation.

Some of the jail time given for these crimes is pathetic.

However, i also want the Govt to go further than the 20 recommendations, not least on Police & CPS reform, sentencing guidelines and compensation.

Some of the jail time given for these crimes is pathetic.

Yes, exactly. We agree there.

Maybe we should treat these specific crimes as racially aggravated hate crime as Maggie Oliver suggests in her evidence, which the inquiry left out?

This is what the inquiry should be about - why weren’t they treated as the racially aggregated hate crimes they clearly were? Why was fear of being accused of racism allowed to interfere in the protection of young girls? Why is fear of being accused of racism STILL preventing investigation into this?

The problem the politicians and media has, is that any honest inquiry destroys the "diversity is strength" viewpoint.

However, i also want the Govt to go further than the 20 recommendations, not least on Police & CPS reform, sentencing guidelines and compensation.

I agree with this. But how do they do they decide on what further things are appropriate if not off the top of their head or getting a researcher to spend ten minutes googling?

This is what the inquiry should be about - why weren’t they treated as the racially aggregated hate crimes they clearly were? Why was fear of being accused of racism allowed to interfere in the protection of young girls? Why is fear of being accused of racism STILL preventing investigation into this?

This. It's still going on. The police are still calling up "grooming gang" survivors and telling them not to post stuff. People are not going to stop talking about it. So it's sensibly to deal with it openly and transparently.

'naive and impressionable working class'
'leave it to the people who know what they're doing'

Are you Emily Thornberry?

Exactly this. It all ties in with trying to discredit people raising concerns. The sane goes for comments like “must be in someone’s payroll”.

im not sure why people can’t get their heads around the situation of someone happening to have a view about something which in this instance only aligns with Musk, but there is no aligning in any other area.

I’ve said it a few times now, people are playing right into Musks hands by allowing themselves to choose a side and become a stereo type of what that side is supposed to think whilst at the same time people who think differently/have a different opinion become “the enemy” who must think xyz. Do people honestly think the world is so black and white?

quantumbutterfly I missed that post. But it is just the tenth rule of misogyny:

10. The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

The issue isn't just about the terrible rapes in Rotherham because the rapes are still happening today and happening nationally.

It isn't confined to one area in the UK... eg, in Brighton six men of the same ethnic group were charged and remanded into custody for raping young women in November 2023.

Most of the work for an inquiry has already been carried out in the earlier report. This work doesn't need to be duplicated - I wouldn't think anything more would be asked of the victims of the Rotherham rapes as their testimonies would have been taken back then.

It must surely be to everyone's benefit to have an enquiry into the rape gangs to do everything to ensure this stops.

Well then what good is an inquiry? How will that help the current victims? Surely what js needed is the recommendations gathered through all the previous local investigations be enacted with the current cases. An inquiry won’t make it all go away, it never does and within the violence against women and girls sector there has been research after research which highlights the issues and provides recommendations and nothing is ever done. The right-wing media/politicians aren’t remotely bothered about the victims, if they were then why wasn’t this raised in the manifestos leading up to the recent election. This is about racism and is being used by the political right to further attack Muslims.