To think asking permission to take off a blazer is utterly ridiculous?

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My child's school has just moved into a new trust. Clearly it's one of those trusts as the latest email announces how children will be placed in internal exclusion or be suspended if they dare to wear a coat in the building or take their blazer off without asking permission.

Schools consistently moan about funding, there's a teaching retention crisis, teachers are overworked and leaving in their hoards, TAs are underpaid and in short supply, children's mental health is worse than ever, but somehow there's time and money to dish out internal exclusions if child gets hot and dares takes their blazer off without asking?

Aibu to say schools should try focussing their time, attention and money on the real issues instead of nonsense made up ones?
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Mine was similar. We had both short and long sleeved shirt options, you could decide which at any time, and could have your jumper on or off at will. Still a uniform, just one that allows some level of personal autonomy over your own comfort.

😆 if my manager told me when I should be wearing or not wearing a jacket or a blazer I’d be fuming.

What are schools trying to teach by doing this?

It’s pretty common knowledge that bodies run at different temperatures. I must be missing something here 😂

The other thing I hate about blazers is that many coats don't fit over the top (unless you buy a size too big) so many teens don't just wear a coat when going to and from school.
So you have the opposite of being boiling in summer - being freezing cold or getting soaking wet.

Just to add another perspective. A school near me had strictly enforced uniform rules because there was a lot of gang trouble and how you knotted your tie, for example, was a signal of gang allegiance. Enforcing the uniform rules just made the gang loyalties a little bit harder to display/enforce. And made no difference to non gang members really.

Apparently so. We're supposed to turn them into independent beings, but they can't be possibly trusted to decide if they're hot or cold 😂

It’d be the same with jumpers.

Once you’ve had a load of parents kick off because their precious kids have lost expensive items of uniform, it becomes easier to just blanket ban them taking them off.

Did you misread the OP? They can take off their blazers, they just have to ask first. And no teacher is going to say no, they just want to prevent kids rocking up without one / constantly fidgeting taking it on and off repeatedly throughout the lessons.

YABU

I'm not sure 'most of Europe gets way better results' than the UK; England at least, tbh.

The school doesn't have to ask for your permission before suspending a pupil.

This is the kind of thing that makes ASD kids develop MH issues. They are often really driven by rules and the fact that there is a rule that could be impossible to follow safely on a hot day can make them really worked up, way ahead of the hot day actually happening.

My DMum was a teacher back in the days when they had the belt. She said nobody was happier than she was when the belt was done away with. She said she didn't even have to bin it because one of the kids pinched it, and she very very happy to see the back of it.

School rules can be quite bonkers.

@JimHalpertsWife but it a waste of time if every two minutes someone stops the lesson by putting their hand up to ask "can I take my blazer off".
If they don't have to ask they can just do it - without interrupting the teaching.

Except teachers do say no don't they. We've already seen an example on this thread and a family member of mine said her child had to wears theirs in 26 degree heat last year. People will deny it happens, but it does.

I agree OP, currently looking at high schools and trying to find one that isn’t being run like a sodding military base is nearly impossible! Stupid uniform rules (why ties?! Why?) discriminatory toilet rules, blazers that stop kids wearing proper coats, measuring fucking skirts(!) - all absolute nonsense!
No wonder teachers are leaving in droves if this is the rubbish that they have to sort out instead of actually being able to teach…

Typically when the first person asks, the teacher usually just invites the whole room to take of their blazers if they like.

It's pretty common.

It's to Instill good manners and discipline

What is it with schools and blazers? I'm sure it never used to be that strict. It seems now they're forced to wear them constantly even in hot weather? It's not like they need to be identified when they're on school grounds. They're wearing the rest of the uniform?
To me it just seems excessive and not representative of the world of work. Which employer forces you to wear a jacket with a badge on? Unless your wearing a very specific work uniform.

Exactly this, my DDs are lost on non-uniform days about where to put all their stuff.

I don't mind the blazer TBH as @JimHalpertsWife says I think it's quite good that they all have something to rail against, the same with the jewellery and make-up policy. I wouldn't be bothered if they got told off either but they are both quite compliant.

What's the problem? They ask and then take it off. Why are you making such a drama out of it?

Is being sweaty good manners?

I work in a secondary like this.It has to be strict or the kids will take the piss and come in all sorts of clothing

Uniform of blazer and tie etc is ridiculously outdated. I am a very traditional, old fashioned person but I have to admit that school uniforms like this need scrapping. I hate kids putting their hand up, stopping the flow of the lesson, to ask to remove their blazer.

It was that strict when I was at school and I left in 1971. School isn’t just about preparation for the world of work. Countless times in life we come up against rules that seem trivial and pointless but we have to obey them nonetheless. This kind of rule is preparation for that. I’m a lifelong rebel but I can see why they do it.

That seems like a reason to just get rid of bloody blazers then.

Or tell parents that students are responsible for their own blazers, and teachers won't be chasing down lost ones.

It's surely just because it's a very simple rule to understand discipline from?

I thought it was universally known that these sorts of small rules result in much better behaviour for the things that matter.