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That moment you realise you really do hate them

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Thetimeisno · 05/01/2025 22:32

DM is having life saving operation followed by ongoing treatment starting next week. Had a family gathering today as she was too ill over Xmas. DH knew at Xmas it was going to either be today or yesterday based on greater availability. States he didn't know it was definitely happening so booked to play golf and go for drinks afterwards.

Asks me yesterday do I want him to come. I say yes but what about golf. He says he can get out of it. I ask later is he coming and he says no he really should play golf 🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡

Also said I may need to make trips back home a day a week to help out DM and his response is 'well it depends what day it is' - we have 2 primary school age children.

He barely works, just lazes around the house doing nothing. Will save you the expletives but he's such a lazy........

Think this really is it. I couldn't despise him more.

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pigsDOfly · 07/01/2025 11:29

Oh yeah, the 50/50 thing.

My exh went a bit further. He told me that he was going to get a relation of a friend of his, the relation was a GP, not my GP I hasten to add, so he'd never treated me in any capacity. I'd only met him at most a couple of times socially, and barely spoken to him.

This man, apparently was going to write a letter saying that I was mentally unstable - I'd suffered from post natal depression with my first child - and he, my exh, on the strength of this letter, would take the children away from me and I'd never see them again.

That was only one of the many threats he made regarding custody of the children and there were others about the house; apparently I was going to have to leave 'his' house - I think he gave me about 2 months notice - as he was getting married again in a few months and needed to move his new wife in - we weren't even divorced at that point.

Anyway, it turned out that in actual fact he didn't want to spend any time with the children at all let alone bring them up full time on his own.

Another golfer funnily enough, among his several other hobbies, and totally self absorbed too; there are, it seems, an awful lot of them about.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 07/01/2025 11:56

Thetimeisno · 06/01/2025 08:00

I'm just dreading the break up though and how difficult he is going to be re the children. Wish he didn't have to be in my life but he has to be cos of them.

Not everyone will agree with you about this decision to continue the marriage, but as long as it is the one you have made, it will feel more comfortable if you accept that it comes with a cost to you in terms of spending your life with someone you hate and despise at least some of the time, and look for other things in life to make you happy.
Of course the children would be upset by a breakup, but they are most likely being affected by the atmosphere between the two of you already. Many children are very sensitive to this kind of thing but may not say anything to you about it.

Thetimeisno · 07/01/2025 15:59

OliveThe0therReindeer · 06/01/2025 23:26

When we split my ex said he wanted 50:50 of our high school aged kids. Like you OP I found it hard not to laugh.

For the first couple of months had them once a fortnight for tea ( a frozen pizza). At that point he was paying child maintenance and he tried to deduct the cost of the meal from how much he paid.

Then his affair partner moved in to his place and he went to seeing the kids for coffee about once every three months.

Several years down the line he sees them once or twice a year for about two hours.

Mr 50:50 dad of the year 🤣

Oh gosh that it shocking. You wonder if they actually believe it when they say it! He sounds so believable or is he disillusioned!

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Thetimeisno · 07/01/2025 16:02

pigsDOfly · 07/01/2025 11:29

Oh yeah, the 50/50 thing.

My exh went a bit further. He told me that he was going to get a relation of a friend of his, the relation was a GP, not my GP I hasten to add, so he'd never treated me in any capacity. I'd only met him at most a couple of times socially, and barely spoken to him.

This man, apparently was going to write a letter saying that I was mentally unstable - I'd suffered from post natal depression with my first child - and he, my exh, on the strength of this letter, would take the children away from me and I'd never see them again.

That was only one of the many threats he made regarding custody of the children and there were others about the house; apparently I was going to have to leave 'his' house - I think he gave me about 2 months notice - as he was getting married again in a few months and needed to move his new wife in - we weren't even divorced at that point.

Anyway, it turned out that in actual fact he didn't want to spend any time with the children at all let alone bring them up full time on his own.

Another golfer funnily enough, among his several other hobbies, and totally self absorbed too; there are, it seems, an awful lot of them about.

He used to say 'you are not taking my kids away from me' and that he would fight for full custody!!!! Now he's lowered it to 50:50. We'll see how much lower it gets next time!

They really are heartless and evil aren't they. No chance of co-parenting with them. It's so sad for the kids.

Mine believes that if you are the dumper you should be the one to move out. I strongly believe he has given up from the way he is acting but says he won't be the one to end it in order to spite me. No doubt when the kids are upset afterwards he'll use the whole 'well it was your mum who wanted to split up the family'

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Thetimeisno · 07/01/2025 16:09

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 07/01/2025 11:56

Not everyone will agree with you about this decision to continue the marriage, but as long as it is the one you have made, it will feel more comfortable if you accept that it comes with a cost to you in terms of spending your life with someone you hate and despise at least some of the time, and look for other things in life to make you happy.
Of course the children would be upset by a breakup, but they are most likely being affected by the atmosphere between the two of you already. Many children are very sensitive to this kind of thing but may not say anything to you about it.

Thank you for this. I am trying to put a plan together as I know i need to leave and hopefully this will help me reframe my thoughts as it is not good for me or the kids. I am going to therapy to make me stronger to leave too.

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Itsallgonesideways · 07/01/2025 16:13

What's his family like? Does he come from a selfish, toxic family? My neighbour is a selfish, self centred cow and her daughter is similar.

Thetimeisno · 07/01/2025 16:26

Itsallgonesideways · 07/01/2025 16:13

What's his family like? Does he come from a selfish, toxic family? My neighbour is a selfish, self centred cow and her daughter is similar.

He is a clone of his dad. They say and do the same horrible things! I can literally see our future when I see his mum and dad. I need to get out.

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barbarahunter · 07/01/2025 16:31

Once you hate them, there is no going back. I think a plan is very wise, @Thetimeisno It took me 15 years to leave, but I did it. Work to your own timescale, give yourself all the advantages you need.

Thetimeisno · 07/01/2025 16:39

barbarahunter · 07/01/2025 16:31

Once you hate them, there is no going back. I think a plan is very wise, @Thetimeisno It took me 15 years to leave, but I did it. Work to your own timescale, give yourself all the advantages you need.

Exactly. He's so horrible he will do anything to screw me over. I need to have all my ducks in a line before I say that's it. Im trying to visualise it as I can't see it happening. I need to leave Im sure of that.

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pigsDOfly · 07/01/2025 17:53

Making those first moves to end the marriage, OP, is very, very hard and frankly can be scary, but once you're free of man like this the relief can be immense.

I used to say, to my then husband, that all I wanted was some 'peace of mind' and once the dust had settled after the divorce - and I'll be honest, it took some time and things weren't always easy - I found what I had been missing in my lonely, miserable marriage.

It is possible to be happy. Life is too short to not to try to aim for something better than an unhappy life in a miserable marriage.

StarkleLittleTwink · 07/01/2025 17:58

Some men are total arseholes - I’d get rid of him. However do bear in mind if you split, you’ll exchange one set of problems for another so bide your time and do a bit of forward planning.

CantGetDecentNickname · 07/01/2025 18:08

Could you possibly downsize OP? Obviously this depends upon your housing situation but it it is a sure way of getting him out if everyone is going. I'm glad you have plans in motion. He will be as unpleasant as possible and it will be a nice wake-up call for him when he has to pay all the bills on his new place. I doubt he'll see much of the kids and they won't miss him.

Pliudev · 07/01/2025 18:39

All I can say is, go now. Otherwise, in a few years, you will look back on multiple occasions when you have been let down but find, for whatever reason, that you've left it too late. You deserve more.

J3001 · 07/01/2025 19:13

Thetimeisno · 06/01/2025 21:45

😂🤣 it is completely delusional.

The three times have been times my DM or DF have been ill and it's always 'what time will you be home?' asked over and over again. They are ill he should be saying 'take as long as you want and I hope they are ok'.

Been in hospital couple of times last one a mini stroke youngest son video called dads cold how do we use the heating , signed my self out as he couldn't cope with 2 boys and our dog , first time came home after 7 days in hospital to a shit hole of takeaway boxs ,

ThistleTits · 07/01/2025 19:19

@Thetimeisno staying with him is not easier than splitting. The first few months will be emotionally difficult, although not more difficult than living with a selfish bstd. You will be better off, financially, emotionally and so will your children.

Hope everything goes well with your mum. 💐

Thetimeisno · 07/01/2025 19:25

CantGetDecentNickname · 07/01/2025 18:08

Could you possibly downsize OP? Obviously this depends upon your housing situation but it it is a sure way of getting him out if everyone is going. I'm glad you have plans in motion. He will be as unpleasant as possible and it will be a nice wake-up call for him when he has to pay all the bills on his new place. I doubt he'll see much of the kids and they won't miss him.

We can't really as the kids already share a bedroom. And he should realise how lucky he was when he was with me...doubt he will though...he'll just carry on moaning about everything!!

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Thetimeisno · 07/01/2025 19:26

J3001 · 07/01/2025 19:13

Been in hospital couple of times last one a mini stroke youngest son video called dads cold how do we use the heating , signed my self out as he couldn't cope with 2 boys and our dog , first time came home after 7 days in hospital to a shit hole of takeaway boxs ,

So sorry to hear this. Why can't they just step up and be a dad!

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YouLookNiceJackie · 07/01/2025 19:31

Wishing your mum all the best.
You can do it on your own, it sounds like you practically are anyway. There is help out there too if you don't earn over a certain amount. Mediation might be a good option if he agrees.
I realised I needed to leave my relationship when my mum rang to say my dad had just died. My now ex heard her say it, stopped scrolling on his phone for all of 5 seconds to look at me and then carried on looking at mindless shit on Facebook. He spent most of the wake on his phone.

J3001 · 07/01/2025 19:41

Thetimeisno · 07/01/2025 19:26

So sorry to hear this. Why can't they just step up and be a dad!

Thanks yeah he's finally trying to do that mind the boys are 24 and 19 now 😂

Swishytwip · 07/01/2025 19:59

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 06/01/2025 09:17

Or he disappears and refuses to pay. Not all men are decent fathers, and you can end up with neither time nor money.

This is my situation and I find it ideal. I have absolute freedom from him.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 07/01/2025 20:00

Swishytwip · 07/01/2025 19:59

This is my situation and I find it ideal. I have absolute freedom from him.

Mine did that and left me with five kids, huge bills and a part time job. It was hell for a few years. The freedom is nice but only if you can finance it.

Lollipop81 · 07/01/2025 20:22

I have read all your posts and I am so sorry you are going through this. There is absolutely no way he will have the kids 50:50 from what you have put. It will all be your fault though as you will be taking him away from his kids. Men like him won’t take any responsibility for their own actions. You can do this though, you can be strong. Don’t let your kids grow up in the middle of this, you will regret it later on.
good luck to you, you can do this.

CheekyHobson · 07/01/2025 20:28

It's so freeing when you accept the fact that you no longer love the person who has made your life a misery for years, and in fact you actually despise them.

I spent years fucking with my own head to rationalise, justify and excuse the ways that my ex behaved out of a misguided belief that I loved him, even as he became harder and harder and eventually impossible to love. Of course, I wasn't the only one fucking with my head; he'd been doing it for even longer than I had.

It was also an incident with an ill parent that gave me a moment of clarity - my dad had a life-saving but high-risk operation that was meant to be three hours long but ended up lasting for eight. My mum was a wreck and my brother had even flown in from overseas to be there for it. All I asked of my ex was that he come home from work a little early, give the kids dinner and put them to bed so I could go to the hospital in the evening to be with my family.

I got home late and so emotionally exhausted that I couldn't even eat. My ex had had an easy night and had been reading in bed since 7.30pm after the kids went to sleep. As I collapsed into bed, my ex said, "Did you bring the shopping in from the car like I asked you?" (He had forgotten it himself earlier, and texted me to bring it in when I got home from the hospital.) I said "Oh... no, I forgot." He silently stared at me until it became really uncomfortable. Eventually I said, "Are you expecting me to bring it in now?" He replied, "I already told you to do it." I knew he was being a dick but did not have it in me to have a fight about it so just got up and went and got it so I could go to sleep. But as I got back into bed, I said, "Do you not think it would have been kind to offer to do that given the day I've had?"

Well. That was it. He got up and paced around having a massive rant about how unreasonable I was, how I had forgotten to do what he asked so it wasn't his responsibility to deal with it, that he was all nice and relaxed and didn't want to get up and as I'd just been up myself I shouldn't have a problem with getting up again, that I was bitching at him and making a mountain out of a molehill and I should shut up and go to sleep as he didn't want to hear anything about it. Then he stormed off into the bathroom and slammed the door.

I should have been upset and angry, but the shock of his behaviour actually gave me a moment of clarity and overwhelming calmness that was almost euphoric, like a bright light suddenly shining into every corner of my mind. I thought, "In one of the rare moments that I need some care, this is who he chooses to be. He is a complete prick, I genuinely hate him, and it's no wonder I do. I am done here."

My life is so much fucking better without him.

Mopsy567 · 07/01/2025 20:48

pigsDOfly · 07/01/2025 11:29

Oh yeah, the 50/50 thing.

My exh went a bit further. He told me that he was going to get a relation of a friend of his, the relation was a GP, not my GP I hasten to add, so he'd never treated me in any capacity. I'd only met him at most a couple of times socially, and barely spoken to him.

This man, apparently was going to write a letter saying that I was mentally unstable - I'd suffered from post natal depression with my first child - and he, my exh, on the strength of this letter, would take the children away from me and I'd never see them again.

That was only one of the many threats he made regarding custody of the children and there were others about the house; apparently I was going to have to leave 'his' house - I think he gave me about 2 months notice - as he was getting married again in a few months and needed to move his new wife in - we weren't even divorced at that point.

Anyway, it turned out that in actual fact he didn't want to spend any time with the children at all let alone bring them up full time on his own.

Another golfer funnily enough, among his several other hobbies, and totally self absorbed too; there are, it seems, an awful lot of them about.

Going through this myself. I've had every threat thrown at me under the sun, including telling everyone I'm 'mentally unstable'. He did it during our marriage and has done it during our separation.

Even though its stressful, every day I wake up and I'm so grateful I'm not with him anymore! He is an evil twat and I'm enjoying watching him panic about the future without me doing everything.

DisabledDemon · 07/01/2025 20:59

My, he's a prince amongst men, isn't he! What a catch.

Only you can decide if you're going to part company with him but for what it's worth, you deserve more than this carping, immature whinger.

Do you really want this to be the rest of your life?

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