Absolutely shit scared about the future in the UK?

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Name changed - I’m genuinely terrified by the hate, division and atmosphere here right now, online and spilling over on the ‘the real world’. I’m scared by how quickly things are changing, and just how much influence the US/Elon Musk/Reform+supporters are having. I’m scared of what the actual point of it all is - what’s the endgame? And what’s the solution? Why is no one protesting/rising up from the other way? Do people generally agree with all this?

I’m in no way a minority (white, female, 30s), I’m not super left, I have one little boy and I’m so scared for his future. I don’t want to live somewhere so intolerant with this constant atmosphere of distrust and something getting ready to blow.

What’s the general consensus? Is this what the people of the U.K. want?

If the base line was that VAWG (and children/boys) was
a) Identified correctly and consistently
b) Procecuted always
c) Stopped victim blaming
d) Taken seriously / training was for everyone / not specialist

Then the conditions for this paricular flavour of everyday VAWG would not exist

Therefore in my humble opinion rather than playing people off against each other in who has it / who perpetrates this the worst maybe with a zero tolerance attitude we could talk about ALL of this and get things changed.

You are right. Where I work, people have become more intolerant and racist and are emboldened to say racist things. Often looking over their shoulder in case our Asian colleagues are in earshot. If I disagree or adopt a degree of sarcasm, I am told that I am averse to the truth or I am “one of those” or have odd views. The atmosphere being whipped up is reminiscent of Nazi Germany when intolerance was allowed to flourish unchecked and hatred is viewed as being a realist. Using facts, argument and data does not seem to sway people who live in eahcho chambers and do not want intelligent discourse but prefer to have their prejudices supported. The alternative facts masquerading as truth, the lies masquerading as free speech and the hatred that is described as realism.

I am fearful of what will happen to this country. The rows of smiling faces as the illegals are marched off to the camps so that the threats of white womanhood are eradicated.

What, Justin Trudeau's resignation? I did like the guy but he's bowing out, not the end of the world.

As a woman, I'm absolutely shit scared about the future for women and girls in this country and I'm pleased that Musk has brought some attention to the rape and torture gangs. It's crazy that some people are trying to minimise what has been happening and blasphemy laws seem nearer and nearer every day. It's all absolutely horrific and terrifying!

We care about all violence against women and girls so are a broad church - priests, sports coaches, grooming gangs, so called friends and relatives and strangers. All men in positions of power and authority even if objectively weak and their feeling of power comes from abusing the vulnerable.

But the right want to perpetuate the myth that priests and teachers and sports coaches and youth group leaders, parents, friends or relatives can't be abusers because they are white or christian.

How many kids are victims of 'alien' abuse gangs compared to those of the home grown variety?

We have a problem with violence against women and girls which the behaviour and rhetoric of people like trump and musk does nothing to challenge.

@PocketSand that’s absolutely it!

What exactly about Reform or Trump scares you? What awful terrible things happened last time Trump was in power....nothing

He dismantled roe v wade.
5,000 children were separated from their parents at the border with no plans for reuniting them so some were in foster care in the US for years . - many have still not been reunited.
Inflammatory talk and spread misinformation about immigration - there was an increase in hate crime.
Handling of pandemic causing thousands of deaths.
Tried to overturn the result of the 2020 election.

@SallyWD

To emphasise, (because no doubt you'll twist my words again). We mustn't be silent about the grooming gangs, we must examine what happened closely. We must also speak out against hateful language and misinformation against Muslims.

Absolutely 💯. I haven't seen anyone ok this thread diminish the horror of grooming gangs. We are merely questioning the motives of Elon and Reform.

They are using them as a platform for their views. They don't actually care about protecting children or women. They don't have solutions.

Roe vs Wade being overturned happened under Biden, not Trump.

Roe V Wade. I get Trump appointed the judges.

But I'm not fussed at all about the children being separated at the borders, the families shouldn't have crossed illegally.

So you believe in collective punishment? Rather like the Nazis who collectively punished the Jews and the Untermenschen for their race crimes. Great to know your point of view.

Nice whataboutism there.

What a pathetic post.

I'm beginning to feel very sorry for OP as it seems her thread has been taken over by a bunch of posters trying to prove a point to each other.

Well I suppose when you dehumanise and "other" a group of people, it's easer to justify inflicting trauma on children.

Yeah that really wasn’t what I was intending! It’s just given me much more to feed my already sky rocketing anxiety…

Arrest figures per nationality are being shown on GB News now, due to a FOI request. they're mind boggling.
Two thirds of all sexual assault in London is committed by foreign nationals.

Anyone with eyes in their head knew that.

We need very serious conversations around integration into British culture, conversations that are honest and not curtailed by fear of offending someone. We need to completely overall education, the criminal justice system, immigration control, social services, the media. And when I say intergration, this includes people coming to the UK and also people here (some of whom are white British nationals) who aren’t living in accordance with British values)

Two thirds of all sexual assault in London is committed by foreign nationals.

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

Figures on X Patrick Christys

GB News (@GBNEWS) / X

The US has a right to protect their borders

Bc trump stacked the supreme court with backwards, far right nut jobs. Overturning roe v wade has been a goal of the republicans for a very long time.

It was late and I didn't reply.

The prison stats and the 'ad hoc' ONS estimate (2023) are measuring different things (foreign nationals and foreign-born) - you cannot easily compare the two without further data - happy for you to link to any (one) source with similar percentages as you.
The prison stats for England and Wales do not tell us how many prisoners were born outside of the UK - e.g. ex-Labour peer Lord Ahmed, jailed for sex offences in 2022, would be recorded as British in the prison stats and 'non-UK-born' in the ONS 'ad-hoc' estimate (he was born in Pakistan).

9.4m in 2021, the 2023 more recent estimate done the same way totalled up 11.4m
They aren’t going to change their methodology between census and update

In fact the ONS have updated their migration methodology quite a bit between 2021 and 2023 (apparently more accurate now although described as 'experimental') - but apart from that your c&p for 2021 says this;

6.0 million people were living in the UK who had the nationality of a different country (9% of the total population).

And the House of Commons Library says this for 2021;

There are fewer foreign nationals living in the UK than there are foreign-born people living in the UK. In 2021 there were approximately 6.0 million people with non-British nationality living in the UK and 9.6 million people who were born abroad.

So, you either have to compare stats measuring foreign nationals or stats measuring foreign-born.