Absolutely shit scared about the future in the UK?

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Name changed - I’m genuinely terrified by the hate, division and atmosphere here right now, online and spilling over on the ‘the real world’. I’m scared by how quickly things are changing, and just how much influence the US/Elon Musk/Reform+supporters are having. I’m scared of what the actual point of it all is - what’s the endgame? And what’s the solution? Why is no one protesting/rising up from the other way? Do people generally agree with all this?

I’m in no way a minority (white, female, 30s), I’m not super left, I have one little boy and I’m so scared for his future. I don’t want to live somewhere so intolerant with this constant atmosphere of distrust and something getting ready to blow.

What’s the general consensus? Is this what the people of the U.K. want?

And probably still are.

I'm very happy to acknowledge that most men of all races aren't a threat. I've travelled widely, attended a large university and worked with people from all over the world. That isn't the issue.

Yes I'm in a suburb of Leeds. I'm not aware of any grooming gangs from my community or any other sexual assaults by Muslim men from my community. There are weekly reports of white men on the pub crawls harassing women. The men involved in the grooming gangs are scum of the earth, in my opinion, and are a tiny percentage of Muslim men living here in the UK.

Leeds definitely had a grooming gang. You being unaware of that only speaks to how much this has been downplayed.

www.sexoffendersregistry.co.uk/leeds-grooming-gang-4-members-jailed-51-yrs-6-yet-to-be-sentenced/

"Tariq Islam, Nasir Sultan, Amir Zaman and Zafar Iqbal are among ten men found guilty of a range of serious sexual offences committed against the youngster in the Beeston area of Leeds.
A court heard the youngster was groomed, systematically abused and sometimes forced to have sex against her will by the defendants who all knew she was under age.
A jury at Leeds Crown Court heard the girl would be given cigarettes and alcohol, contacted via Facebook with demands for sex and picked up in the street and ordered to get into cars with the men.
Jailing the men, judge Geoffrey Marson, QC, said: “(the victim) was systematically abused, in some cases by men who knew each other and exchanged their experiences with each other which no doubt led to further sexual abuse.
“Over a period of more than six weeks I have had the opportunity of observing the defendants and hearing their evidence.
“Not one of them has uttered a single word or sentiment of remorse.
“Their only concern is that they have been caught and brought to justice.”

I'm not going to share my experiences here but I've had personal experience of taxi drivers in Leeds in the early 2000s, and other towns in W Yorkshire, that no one is going to whatabout away.

And yes I've been "groped, harassed and sexually assaulted" by white men too myself.

I was talking about the lack of assaults by Muslim men and the assaults by white men, in my community. Beeston is not near me and is incredibly deprived. It seems these events happen in areas of deprivation. This doesn't make it any less awful, but it's another factor to examine.
I'm sure you could also find many examples of girls being groomed by white men in Leeds, which I also wouldn't be aware of. Apparently something in the region of 85% of grooming gangs are white but they're not widely reported on either.

I was talking about the lack of assaults by Muslim men and the assaults by white men, in my community. Beeston is not near me and is incredibly deprived. It seems these events happen in areas of deprivation. This doesn't make it any less awful, but it's another factor to examine.

It's the same city why is your localised anecdata relevant then if you won't even acknowledge a suburb a couple of miles away is the same place?

I'm very sorry to hear this. I've taken taxis many times in Leeds and not had problems , but I'm in no way dismissing your experiences, which I'm sure were serious and upsetting.
As a 16 year old a white taxi driver tried to get me to have sex with him and offered me £30. I was very scared. In my 20s another white taxi driver followed me down the road asking for sex. He said I had to do it because he really fancied me. A white taxi driver told my friend it smelt like she'd just had a bath, and he was now picturing her naked.
Bloody men.

The problem is that the current government, and those in the media who broadly support them, are understandably worried about a backlash against the Pakistani community in the UK when the majority are not sexual abusers.

However, their attempts at being fair-minded are misguided. We've woken up on Christmas morning to be greeted by a big shit on the carpet; we all know full well that the dog did it, but Keir Starmer doesn't want us to jump to conclusions. Jess Phillips has insisted that the turd in the living-room and the turd on the kitchen floor are unrelated and should be investigated separately.

This leaves space for Elon Musk and Nigel Farage to gain credibility by pointing out the obvious, and some of the guests to recall that the family black sheep, Tommy Robinson, accused the dog of defecating on the carpet last Christmas but was labelled a dog-hater and disinvited from future gatherings.

Absolutely right. We women should not be pressured to ignore sexual assault or harassment because of alleged cultural sensitivities.

There is clear evidence of racial targeting in the grooming gang abuses as well as misogyny and racism of the perpetrators playing a role. We should address that.

That doesn't mean that there are no abuses from white English men. But we should not ignore or minimise one type of abuse because of the race of the perpetrators. All sex abuse should be an issue. All victims should be supported

Apparently something in the region of 85% of grooming gangs are white but they're not widely reported on either.

That's agenda-driven, whitewashing propaganda, and it's why we need a proper inquiry into the grooming gangs across the country and the failings of the thousands of people who were corrupt or incompetent or turned a blind eye, plenty of whom were white, not one deliberately minimising this phenomenon as others have, so that people like you can say there isn't anything to see here.

But I am acknowledging it. I just wanted to clarify that I'm talking about my experiences of living in a predominantly Muslim neighbourhood for 13 years. I'm talking about where I live. I'm not discounting any awful things that have happened. In my neighbourhood, we have more issues with white men. In other neighbourhoods, it's probably different.

I'm not saying there isn't anything to see.

Agreed.

Why is it relevant that in Headingley it's different? It isn't relevant. There's a problem, and it needs to be examined properly and without fear or favour, and addressed, as a specific form of male violence. That doesn't mean white men aren't violent, it doesn't mean that other sexual violence should be ignored.

Absolutely right. We women should not be pressured to ignore sexual assault or harassment because of alleged cultural sensitivities.

There is clear evidence of racial targeting in the grooming gang abuses as well as misogyny and racism of the perpetrators playing a role. We should address that.

That doesn't mean that there are no abuses from white English men. But we should not ignore or minimise one type of abuse because of the race of the perpetrators. All sex abuse should be an issue. All victims should be supported

This. Thank you.

I also think we need to factor in 2nd generation as these will be included in the British nationals

I grew up in a Northern town with a large Muslim population and had no more issues with Asian men than white men. I was sexually assaulted more than once and was threatened with sexual assault many more times, mostly by white men.
I live in another similar town now and again, neither me nor DD have had a worse time with Pakistani/Bangladeshi men than white ones.
I am not denying anyones lived experiences, just sharing mine.
I would feel safer walking past a mosque on a Friday afternoon than Wetherspoons on a Saturday afternoon, thats for sure though.

Out of interest what country are you moving to? I want to move but struggling to find the right place!

I'm not quite Headingley but nearby. I used to live in Headingley. Yes I agree we need to examine the issue of Asian grooming gangs, and I believe it's being done. However, the vast majority of Muslim men are not a threat, and this also needs to be acknowledged. There are people like Tommy Robinson and Elon Musk who are using this to stir up hatred against Muslims. This also needs to be acknowledged. As I mentioned upthread, I know innocent Muslim men and women who've been targeted. My husband has been targeted. He's not a Muslim but looks like one so is fair game to some people.

That's my experience too but not what some people want to hear.

I'm very sorry to hear this. I've taken taxis many times in Leeds and not had problems , but I'm in no way dismissing your experiences, which I'm sure were serious and upsetting.
As a 16 year old a white taxi driver tried to get me to have sex with him and offered me £30. I was very scared. In my 20s another white taxi driver followed me down the road asking for sex. He said I had to do it because he really fancied me. A white taxi driver told my friend it smelt like she'd just had a bath, and he was now picturing her naked.

You need to ask yourself why your first response was to try to prove that my own experiences are irrelevant as to whether there was a specific problem with Muslim Pakistani taxi drivers (which is known from all the many court cases, it's not disputed by anyone) in West Yorkshire preying on vulnerable young women.

It doesn't need a gotcha that white men are just as bad. I'm not trying to claim white men are morally superior or less rapey and I resent the implication made by several posters that I am.

I'm trying to engage in a respectful manner but I feel you're repeatedly putting words into my mouth. I didn't say or imply your own experiences were irrelevant. I said I was in no way dismissing your experiences which I'm sure were serious and upsetting. How is that saying your experiences were irrelevant?
I shared my own experiences of taxi drivers in Leeds and white taxi drivers elsewhere because I do feel it's relevant to the conversation. I do genuinely feel that many women have had unsettling experiences with taxi drivers, regardless of ethnicity or culture.

Yes I agree we need to examine the issue of Asian grooming gangs, and I believe it's being done.

Well I don't. What's been done further inflames the sense that it's been brushed under the carpet and allows the right wing to claim this. You don't seem to know very much about it, like most people commenting on this thread. Tens of thousands of teenage and younger girls at a very conservative estimate, were raped by organised, linked groups of men from one particular cultural group. Anyone raising the alarm in the media was targeted as a racist. See the experiences of Ann Cryer MP, Sarah Champion MP, Sir Trevor Phillips and many others. A succession of toothless "inquiries" have been held. The main leaders have been prosecuted, many have got off Scot free, and the vast majority of the people in authority who failed those girls have faced zero consequences whatsoever. The police and local authorities in many cases treated the girls like total scum.

So no.