Absolutely shit scared about the future in the UK?

[JDNCh]

Name changed - I’m genuinely terrified by the hate, division and atmosphere here right now, online and spilling over on the ‘the real world’. I’m scared by how quickly things are changing, and just how much influence the US/Elon Musk/Reform+supporters are having. I’m scared of what the actual point of it all is - what’s the endgame? And what’s the solution? Why is no one protesting/rising up from the other way? Do people generally agree with all this?

I’m in no way a minority (white, female, 30s), I’m not super left, I have one little boy and I’m so scared for his future. I don’t want to live somewhere so intolerant with this constant atmosphere of distrust and something getting ready to blow.

What’s the general consensus? Is this what the people of the U.K. want?

if Nigel farage is correct in who are joining reform. Young people Very depressing

I just got back from travelling (Toronto and San Francisco) and landed at Gatwick - never felt so happy and relaxed to be home.

The UK isn’t that bad. I really recommend seeing the world so you know how “alright” it is here.

I felt safe immediately. No opiod crisis, no worry of guns, no car jacking and the M25 was cleaner than Toronto’s posh financial district at 7am! (When you’d expect a street to be at its cleanest!)

Everywhere has its issues.

No I don’t! So something has to shift surely at some point in the near future - but what’s the answer? Does everything just naturally collapse at some point?

I am very well travelled and you’re absolutely right!! It is alright - I’m scared of where we will be in the future though.

I think part of it is that I had 6 rounds of IVF before having my little boy and I feel scared and guilty about the world I’ve bought him into.

I wouldn't rise to it. 🙄

I think things would improve rapidly in the UK if more housing was available. Currently there is far too much capital wasted in assets which represent too much of a transfer of wealth to those who own those assets and it restricts the mobility of the workforce. If that was sorted out I think so many other issues which are considered problems would be resolved as a byproduct. We need a massive social housing building programme and as we are now in a position that some people have so much asset wealth they can leverage this to hoover up multiple new homes, there would have to be restrictions to multiple home ownership to allow a rebalancing to take place. Either that or with more
properties available, rents would fall to the point that the amount someone would be willing to to pay for a property in order to rent it out would be the same as the amount a lot of residential buyers would be able to pay so they wouldn’t be priced out and forced to rent.

Yeah I worry about the influence of billionaires with this shoddy mendacious government who have rapidly plummeted in popularity due to their lies. The uni party baton wouldn’t have been handed over if the electorate had been told the truth. They were only voted in as people were sick of the tories and wanted change (hollow laugh),

Aren’t you worried about pensioners being fucked over, food security, energy security and the rising cost of your energy bills? It’s only going to get worse under this shower of imbeciles.

Yes, things are so serious that the National BBC news thinks that the world headlines should be about the stepson of a one time nanny of the Prince of Wales from 20 years ago, followed by the a story about the weather, followed by a story about darts. Either things aren't too serious or the BBC have lost the plot. Sorry, delete "Either"..."or" and replace with "Obviously"..."and".

🙄 Here we go again...

Name changed - I’m genuinely terrified by the hate, division and atmosphere here right now, online and spilling over on the ‘the real world’. I’m scared by how quickly things are changing, and just how much influence the US/Elon Musk/Reform+supporters are having. I’m scared of what the actual point of it all is - what’s the endgame? And what’s the solution? Why is no one protesting/rising up from the other way? Do people generally agree with all this?

I think this is just the UK showing what it has always been (England specifically and it appears also Northern Ireland.)

I actually think it’s good for it to be out there and we can stop with this tired myth that “there is hardly any racism in the UK”.

It was definitely better 30 years ago IMO,
I don't know where in the world people think things are so much better than here though. We're just much more aware of all the issues here than we are abroad.

We will be leaving The UK in around 5 years.
Luckily DH has an EU passport and we will have the resources to do it. I hope my DC also go, they have EU passports too.
I used to defend The UK when DH asked why we live here but I can't do it any more

I think it started with the release of the details of what mounammed Karrar did to that little girl. It was graphic and sickening and Musk came across it and was quite naturally like WTAF. I actually think anyone reading that regardless of their politics would be disgusted. It’s an injustice, just because he doesn’t share your politics doesn’t mean he can’t see a massive injustice done to children and not be horrified. I think however else he has reacted the assumption that because he behaves like a twat that he doesn’t actually care about a child being raped by 4 men simultaneously is quite sad. People can care about children being hurt regardless of their politics.

@JDNCh That’s understandable. He is a precious miracle after all!

There is a book out there about how the world isn’t as bad as the media portrays. I’ll try and find it for you. My Dad read it recently because he was also worrying

This is true. I mean where should we move that would be better?

The US? Russia? China? France? Germany? Even Australia has issues, aside from the climate.

I suppose there is Scandinavia but...the winter. And it is rather close to Russia.

I am 50 and things have been better and they have been worse in my lifetime, and no country is perfect. The UK is really not bad.

More promotion of the sainted Elon, I see. I doubt if he actually cares about abused children much but he's being neatly shoehorned into numerous threads on here.

Given how the tories utterly destroyed our country for 14 years, left everything broken and no money left, perhaps you should read a little on what has been achieved by Labour in their first six months. Considering the state of the UK purse, they’ve worked wonders. And will continue to do so for many, many years to come. The old tory voters will die and deform will collapse. Good times ahead, just like we had before 2010. Oh and rejoin the EU obviously 🙂

what! Worse than the trashing the Tories committed??? Really ????

I was totally fearless until I had my son. It will subside the cold weather will be over and things will start looking brighter again.

Maybe try and spend less time online. Give 'X' a swerve and other platforms that are feeding into your sense of panic, OP.

Someone upthread suggested spending time in nature - I need to do more of this, too.

I'm so sorry to hear about the graffiti. Things like that shake your belief that the UK is more of a tolerant and inclusive society than an intolerant and decisive one, but deep down, most people aren't racist.

I know several people who were directly affected by the riots, and I also have a family member who I am convinced has been radicalised online by far right groups.

So these issues are close to home, yet I still don't feel completely hopeless, infact I remain positive that there's more good out there than bad.

I agree it all seems rather gloomy at the moment OP. The rise of the far right, wealth inequality, climate change etc all worry me immensely. Social media absolutely doesn't help though - and even MN appears to be heading down the path of bots and loonies so there's very little light relief here either.

Undoubtedly things have got worse in the UK since 2010 and the disaster of Brexit. It's not the country even I remember (I'm 'only' 50). But most of us still have an okish lifestyle (although I'm very very aware that many don't) - freedom of speech, women's rights, heallthcare etc are still far superior to much of the world. Sometimes it feels like cold comfort though!

I agree with the posters upthread that getting off the internet probably helps enormously - and I should take my own advice on that one!

I do despair of what seems like a huge increase in violence towards women, perpetrated by men, though. That does scare me. My gem of a relative verbalises misogynistic tendencies as well as racist ones.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Not-End-World-bestseller-everything/dp/152993124X/

I think this is the book my Dad has. He read it and it was so good everyone is borrowing it.

Sharing the link if it helps anyone on this thread feel more optimistic 💐

I’m not a musk fan. I just think people claiming that anyone getting upset at this is upset because they are a racist or right wing rather than upset at the violent rape of children is wrong.

The left has ceded this space to the right frankly. If you don’t defend children (please bear in mind these were primarily labour councils turning a blind eye) don’t complain when the other lot (who I’m not aligned with) do raise it.

There is too much focus on Musk, he can be safely ignored frankly, there will be no early election, there will be no change in government policy on his say.

We should be looking at this again because it’s the right thing to do not worrying about who is pointing it out, thats weak, it’s weak and craven to focus on what one man says when we have literally thousands of abused children to serve justice to. But yeah look over there at musk… don’t look over here at our failed institutions and cowardly leaders.

Far right riots? Oh please. Because starmer said so?