Absolutely shit scared about the future in the UK?

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Name changed - I’m genuinely terrified by the hate, division and atmosphere here right now, online and spilling over on the ‘the real world’. I’m scared by how quickly things are changing, and just how much influence the US/Elon Musk/Reform+supporters are having. I’m scared of what the actual point of it all is - what’s the endgame? And what’s the solution? Why is no one protesting/rising up from the other way? Do people generally agree with all this?

I’m in no way a minority (white, female, 30s), I’m not super left, I have one little boy and I’m so scared for his future. I don’t want to live somewhere so intolerant with this constant atmosphere of distrust and something getting ready to blow.

What’s the general consensus? Is this what the people of the U.K. want?

By this, do you mean the far right will take advantage of it?

The far right already have (see BNP in Keighley in the 2000s) and will continue to do so, regardless of Elon Musk, who seemingly has only recently become aware of the situation.

Yes it is. Please stay off social media.

@IMustDoMoreExercise you’re absolutely right. Thank you.

Foreign nationals make up 12% of the England & Wales prison population, but account for 18% of the total England & Wales population.

Again, I was looking specifically for the rape statistics, not convictions in general.

Edited to add @ThisOldThang thank you for those stats. I had a cursory look last night but it was late.

None of it is fake news, it’s only made the news because of the centuries old racist trope of fearing the defilement of European (our) women by foreign men.

Do you have any evidence of mass, planned sexual assaults carried out by British or European men?

Also if it's just a trope about foreign men, would you feel equally at home as a solo woman visiting any country in the world, and behave in exactly the same way, and if not why not?

Do the tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of Western men who travel to South East Asia and other developing areas for sex count as mass, planned sexual assaults? Do the tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of Western men who use prostitutes knowing they are likely trafficked, addicted or at best driven into prostitution by hard circumstances and lack of choice count as mass, planned, sexual assaults? Or is it only amateur assaults that count, not assault facilitated by money?

Cos y'know, I'm not 100% seeing these Western men have better values here, what I'm seeing is both groups of men see certain women as fair game.

@FlirtsWithRhinos

No they don't count as mass sexual assaults in the specific way we are talking about. They are another equally serious form of sexual abuse, also with common features, which also deserve to be focussed on. Do you think it's some kind of gotcha? Why the whataboutery?

Wait until business owners realise they will be saddling their kids with unpayable IHT if they pass their business on. Lots of small to medium sized businesses are going to be forced to liquidate in the next few years - sacking lots of people. The stupidity of Labour economics never ceases to amaze me

I'm so frustrated that so many feminist women can't bring themselves to admit the existence of cultural elements in some types of crime and think it's appropriate to insinuate that other feminists only do so because they are racist.

It's not whataboutery, it's in response to the question "Do you have any evidence of mass, planned sexual assaults carried out by British or European men?" and the suggestion that Western men's values preclude them from mass sexual assaults.

It absolutely is whataboutery. We're talking about mob sexual assaults on women and girls.

It's not about whether white men are morally superior FFS.

Do the tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of Western men who travel to South East Asia and other developing areas for sex count as mass, planned sexual assaults?

They are planned sexual assaults but not mob sexual assaults. And, like the UK, the South East Asian authorities are massively failing their children as well.

Bumping so that people can understand what is specifically being talked about, and handwaved away.

Well no, the " majority of the country" didn't.

Labour got 33.7% of the votes cast with a turnout of 59.9%.

So the "majority of the country" and indeed the majority of the people who voted did not for a Labour government.

https://election2024.electoral-reform.org.uk/

Of course there are cultural elements. Those beliefs should be challenged like any other sexisim. I remember what my second generation friends' brothers used to say and do when we were teenagers, and I know how intimidating/space -controlling groups of men from other cultures can be in the area I live today.

But I also remember how white English guys were behaving when I was a teenager and how popular sex tourism is and I can't see that there is a significant qualitative difference here.

I don't think it's racism, I think it's that we so are desensitized to it that we focus on the "new" threats and ignore the ongoing ones.

I'm not ignoring any threats, thanks.

No idea where you got those figures. Foreign nationals prison population in the UK in 2024 was 27% higher than British. The three top spots being taken by Eastern Europeans.

Maybe that's why tourists comment, that to visit these countries is like the UK 30 years ago, we have all their criminals.

UK has the highest incarceration rate per capita in the whole of Europe.

Figures from Statista.

This comment "Not really, its not a person's colour/other physical attributes but their culture and values or lack thereof." is the one I was thinking of.

Quite.

I was reading some accounts from holocaust survivors a while back. Just one of those quiet days at work where I was noodling on my phone for hours. I remember thinking how the hell could something like this happen in 20th century Europe.

Now I'm closer to understanding having witnessed the biggest mass sexual assault in recent European history (perhaps ever) and the subsequent dismissal by feminists and woke people that are usually up in arms about injustices. You'd think they'd be apoplectic about it but many seem to actually want to shut down discussion and frame people as racists for talking about it.

Of course there are cultural elements. Those beliefs should be challenged like any other sexisim. I remember what my second generation friends' brothers used to say and do when we were teenagers, and I know how intimidating/space -controlling groups of men from other cultures can be in the area I live today.

But I also remember how white English guys were behaving when I was a teenager and how popular sex tourism is and I can't see that there is a significant qualitative difference here.

This "nothing to see here" mentality is naive and isn't helpful. Men are men and responsible for most sexual violence, but sometimes cultural issues are important to particular crimes.

If there were gangs of white men raping Asian women on the same scale, and it was minimised and covered up for years by the authorities, would you think race/culture was a relevant feature then? Because I absolutely would.

Now I'm closer to understanding having witnessed the biggest mass sexual assault in recent European history (perhaps ever) and the subsequent dismissal by feminists and woke people that are usually up in arms about injustices. You'd think they'd be apoplectic about it but many seem to actually want to shut down discussion and frame people as racists for talking about it.

I don't care if weak minded virtue signallers think I'm a racist particularly, just like I don't care that they think I'm a transphobe for not believing men are women. I'm a feminist, and I care about women and girls. Of all cultures and all races.

That's the least of it. Whenever I hear someone identify as a feminist instantly assume they're anything but.

I'm not handwriting this away. I think it's absolutely abhorrent. However, I haven't seen anything like this in the UK. I live in a predominantly Muslim area (I'm white British) and have not heard of any sexual assaults by Muslims. However, we live close to a famous pub crawl and women are repeatedly groped, assaulted and sexually harassed by drunken white males. It often makes the national news. I've received nothing but respectful behaviour from Muslim males.
So yes, let's acknowledge these incidents you refer to but let's also acknowledge the vast majority of Muslim mem in the UK are not a threat.
Having lived in this Muslim area for 13 years the only thing I've noticed in common about the Muslim men I know are that they are extremely polite and respectful.
I walk home from the university each day behind young female students who get a lot of white men driving past, beeping their horns and shouting obscenities. I've never seen an Asian man do that, despite the reputation they have.

I'm not handwriting this away. I think it's absolutely abhorrent. However, I haven't seen anything like this in the UK. I live in a predominantly Muslim area (I'm white British) and have not heard of any sexual assaults by Muslims.

Are you in the north of England? There were grooming gangs in practically every northern town.