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Sunworshiper · 03/01/2025 13:29

Loveing the little groupies (like a flock of rabid seagulls) attacking everything I say, It has completely proved the point they have no interest in this case they are only interested in personal point scoring.

How about you stick to defending mainly WHITE the girls that were raped, killed and abused by mainly Pakistani rape gangs in over 40 cities.

Or is it that you don’t like the fact were discussing gangs that hide behind the fear of cries of racism to carry out attacks.

I wait the pecking to commence.

Clavinova · 03/01/2025 13:30

BellissimoGecko · 03/01/2025 09:32

There HAS been an enquiry!! Published in 2022, it took 7 years: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/20/child-sexual-abuse-inquiry-final-report-20-actions-for-change

And the a Tories refused to act on it. So Badenoch can just bog off.

If you're interested, follow ex-prosecutor Nazir Afzal on FB or Instagram: amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/02/ex-chief-prosecutor-rejects-musks-calls-for-new-child-abuse-inquiry

Would that be the same Nazir Afzal who refused to accept that Durham Police were not going to prosecute Dominic Cummings, who then spearheaded a legal campaign against Cummings, accused the CPS, Met and Durham Police of closing ranks over the Cummings case and compiled a 225-page 'dossier of evidence' against Cummings alleging further breaches and perverting the course of justice?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/05/dominic-cummings-durham-police-reject-dossier-of-evidence-on-lockdown-journeys

Then, when Durham Police announced they were opening an investigation into Keir Starmer's antics in Durham, Afzal tweeted this;

nazir afzal
@ nazirafzal
For wks Durham Police have been subjected to undue pressure to reopen an investigation they already adjudicated as “no case” They bowed to pressure.

I've followed Nazir Afzal in the past - he is not politically impartial.

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:30

CorbyTrouserPress · 03/01/2025 13:26

Neither do you. Anyone with half a brain can see what your true motive in starting this thread was and it’s disgusting.

What is my true motive? This is massive news & it deserves to be discussed!
It would be disgusting if this scandal was allowed to fade away. We must never forget. It is right to keep it to the forefront.
Our government & justice system failed to protect children from being raped & drugged.
That is disgusting not starting a thread about Elon Musk weighing in on the scandal.
Seriously check your privilege & get your priorities straight. I seriously doubt you have children.
Btw the days of "no debate" are long gone!

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Alexandra2001 · 03/01/2025 13:30

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:23

They are well aware but it doesn't suit their agenda & they don't care about the poor girls.

You need to take your evidence and energies to the Police in Rotherham.

cardibach · 03/01/2025 13:31

Tryingtokeepgoing · 03/01/2025 13:18

And that’s the dichotomy the left face. There are two factions to it - the Islington lot, and what used to be the large voter base they depended on to deliver strong majorities. Historically the unionised, working class masses. The two are uneasy bedfellows, but rubbed along because they could see the mutual benefit in working together. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer, so to speak.

The reality is that the masses were always being played. Now that someone else (Farage) is mobilising them to his cause they are very vocal about them and their ‘far right’ views. The reality they don’t want to face is that, for the large part, it’s the same people that used to support them that now support Farage. So, either the populations views have shifted hugely, or how the left view them has shifted…

The leadership have always know that, and that’s why Corbyn and Starmer didn’t present a robust case for ‘remain’ during the Brexit campaign. And we are all worse off because they didn’t - as usual they put the pursuit of power before what was right for the country. Like so many politicians. But there’s an inherent arrogance or naivety, I’m not sure which, in the moderately educated middle class left that they are always morally right. A belief not based on any evidence

Edited

theres been no shift really though. Reform got about the same number of votes as did UKIP.

MojoMoon · 03/01/2025 13:31

OneAmberFinch · 03/01/2025 13:17

These are all the right questions.

An inquiry only has a purpose if it leads to action.

And it should be an inquiry specifically into this phenomenon of mainly Pakistani Muslim men using their community networks in the police, councils etc to avoid scrutiny.

Not just into all CSA generally.

Good news @OneAmberFinch

There was one into Oldham. It does into detail of ten specific cases and how the victims were failed and into specific allegations against councillors.

The Newsam inquiry.

You won't have read it and I imagine it won't ever bother though

OneAmberFinch · 03/01/2025 13:32

JHound · 03/01/2025 13:27

This is a sobering but important post and why I worry about this. People want to make this a racial football. Without denying that there seems to be an issue with this in some Pakistani communities people seem to think of that problem is fixed then the problem of CSA
goes away.

When we will instead be tackling a minority of the problem while being intensely relaxed in ignoring the majority.

The problem of children as young as 11 being doused in petrol, raped with bottles, and anally penetrated by multiple men gets significantly reduced though!

No-one is arguing that we should ignore other CSA or that this will fix everything but we also shouldn't be blind to obvious patterns.

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:32

Alexandra2001 · 03/01/2025 13:30

You need to take your evidence and energies to the Police in Rotherham.

Why do you think that they are not up to the job?

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JHound · 03/01/2025 13:32

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:21

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5246685/Lily-Allen-sparks-fury-Rochdale-grooming-victims.html

I remember Lily Allen's tweet at the time. What the fuck is wrong with some women? 7 years on & judging by some comments on this thread some women still stand by men no matter what...

The point she is making is valid is badly stated. There seems to be a huge problem in how vulnerable girls are viewed / treated. Everybody is focused on race but there is a reason all the victims are from lower socioeconomic backgrounds / the care system.

If these were wealthy middle class white forms being targeted the relevant agencies would have acted with a rapid ferocity.

Nameychangington · 03/01/2025 13:32

azu · 03/01/2025 13:18

Musk has his own agenda. He does not care about the victims.

I worked for a street outreach project in a major northern city in the late 1980s/ early 1990s.

The activities of 'rape gangs' was going on then, and this was both before and after the Children's Act came into force in 1989. Children forced into 'prostitution' (as it was called at the time) through abuse, violence, threats, rape, drugs. Children arrested for 'prostitution' and not recognised as victims of abuse. Children imprisoned in houses to 'prime' or 'season' them for 'prostitution'. Children coerced and emotionally abused by adults pretending to be in 'relationships' with them.

The response of the authorities (police, social services) was terrible. Aside from arresting children (although I am not aware of any charges being brought), when pushed they would claim their hands were tied - for example, children were not willing to make statements against their abusers. We would give names, addresses - if it was acted on, it would be to remove children but not prosecute the men involved.

The point I want to make here though is that ALL the children we came across were in Local Authority Care Homes. They also happened to all be white (in a very diverse city) - and with little if any contact with family, and from unsafe, abusive backgrounds. Socio-economically deprived backgrounds. No family willing or able or aware of the situation to intervene. The gangs involved were all men, although they would 'recruit' slightly older young people, often young women, to 'groom' vulnerable children. The men were not from one ethnicity - but from ALL ethnicities. And children - quite clearly children - who were 'pimped' out on the street (mainly girls, but also boys) were abused by men of all classes and ethnic backgrounds. The only thing the perpetrators had in common were they were all men, and they were all paedophiles.

What I took away from this was that these men will target the most vulnerable children in our society in these cases of systematic gang abuse. And in the cases I'm outlining here, the lack of action was not an attitude towards the perpetrators, but an attitude towards the victims, who were seen as problematic, difficult children who would regularly abscond from care homes. Children who seemed tough, aggressive, who had an 'issue' with authority. These were children not attending school, taking drugs, whose lives were already 'scripted' by the authorities.

It was heartbreaking. I can't read the details of all these cases coming to light now, as it takes me right back, but I know about the 'race' issue of course, and Musk using this to simultaneously attack Starmer and 'immigrants' of a particular ethnicity. I am aware that these were not all children in the care system, and families were not listened to, just as we weren't.
In my experience, though, it was always about how the victims were viewed, rather than 'protecting' the perpetrators - that the children somehow were not worthy of safeguarding, they were somehow complicit in their own abuse.

Has that changed with these more recent cases?

Agree. Time again again we hear from the victims that they were treated as the problem, they were seen as slags, gangster molls, as having made a lifestyle choice. Often the victims are arrested for crimes they were forced to commit by their abusers, or arrested while the abusers weren't. Sammy Woodhouse, a survivor, has tried to get crimes commited by victims forced into the acts by their abusers to be wiped from their records. After she tried to put her life together she was hampered in getting work by the criminal record she got from acts she was forced into by her abusers. Victims were arrested themselves for being drunk and disorderly after being drugged or given alcohol, or for fights the abusers forced them to have with other victims. Some info here: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-61078785 These girls were from poor or no family,so a layer of protection was missing, then the layers of protection which should have been provided by the state just victimised and blamed them instead.

Teenage girl nears a swing

Rochdale grooming: Abused women receive police damages

Three women who were raped by gangs in Rochdale receive "substantial" damages and a police apology.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-61078785

SharpOpalNewt · 03/01/2025 13:33

Kemi Badenoch was part of a government that was in power for 14 years until six months ago.

If an enquiry was so desperately needed, why didn't they do it then? Starmer may have been DPP but they could have instructed him to carry it out!

Elon Musk just wants to destabilise this country and install his own puppet right wing government with Farage as Prime Minister, and it seems some people are all too ready to have the wool pulled over their eyes. The sooner someone straps him into one of his own rockets and blasts him into space the better for the world.

Namerchangee · 03/01/2025 13:33

Elon Musk should stay out of foreign politics. Nowt to do with him.

GeneralPeter · 03/01/2025 13:33

nfkl · 03/01/2025 09:09

Someone with enough weight highlights this total dereliction of justice for women and girls, and many prefer to virtue signal and pinch their noses here rather than hoping victims will finally get justice?

It’s just so wrong and self-serving. Purity politics is an awful, selfish thing, really.

Agree.

Ariadneefron · 03/01/2025 13:33

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:26

There should be a proper Netflix expose done into this.. it is one of the worst atrocities in modern day England.

Here you are, love.

BBC

BBC One - The Betrayed Girls

Documentary about the child abuse revelations in Rochdale and other towns.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08xdh9r

dutysuite · 03/01/2025 13:33

I’m also pleased

DodoTired · 03/01/2025 13:33

You are happy that a foreign billionaire with history of using governments to advance his financial gain is putting pressure on your elected government? Are you an idiot?

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:33

JHound · 03/01/2025 13:32

The point she is making is valid is badly stated. There seems to be a huge problem in how vulnerable girls are viewed / treated. Everybody is focused on race but there is a reason all the victims are from lower socioeconomic backgrounds / the care system.

If these were wealthy middle class white forms being targeted the relevant agencies would have acted with a rapid ferocity.

I think it was a disgusting tweet.

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JHound · 03/01/2025 13:34

Feelingathomenow · 03/01/2025 13:21

I think Labours inaction is doing this fairly effectively in any case.

Why did Tory inaction not stir up racists?

Alexandra2001 · 03/01/2025 13:34

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:32

Why do you think that they are not up to the job?

You claimed CSA is still happening, so take your evidence to them, the Police need the cooperation of the public.

You may have important leads.

wholettheturnipsburn · 03/01/2025 13:34

IKnowAristotle · 03/01/2025 08:58

Are we all suitably assured it's not a convenient dog whistle to drum up support for the political party he's donating huge amounts of money towards?

Well yes. It's sad how many people don't see this

istheheatingonyet · 03/01/2025 13:34

@Tryingtokeepgoing fantastic post.

JustSawJohnny · 03/01/2025 13:35

Elon Musk is an extreme right-wing piece of crap who's Daddy made his money out of apartheid South Africa.

He's a racist piece of shit and he's no longer hiding it.

I find it highly interesting that he's supposedly so invested in British grooming gangs BUT HE IS HAPPY TO SUPPORT A RAPIST PRESIDENT.

He, like many, only care about abusers IF THEY ARE BROWN.

He is the kind of scum that I want our PM to distance us from.

There is no World in which 'advice' from that 'man' is positive for our society.

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:35

Ariadneefron · 03/01/2025 13:33

Here you are, love.

BBC

No thank you "love" I'd prefer a global one from Netflix that will show the world how those girls were failed. BBC too small fry.

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CandlesClementines · 03/01/2025 13:36

@JHound not all the girls were abandoned. Many did have parents. You have read about the dad who was arrested? Trying to free his child??
Watch... Three girls then come back.

cardibach · 03/01/2025 13:36

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:24

They were your words. You don't seen to see anything wrong with the drugging & raping of children. You called stopping those atrocities a "dictatorship "!

Eh? Nobody has said they don’t see anything wrong with rape. And installing a dictator, which you seemed in favour of, was what @JHound called dictatorship…

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