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Gnarab24 · 03/01/2025 13:22

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 10:58

Yes . We must never forget. I think Elon will be a great asset to US politics however I'm glad he's not afraid to call out over governments as he sees fit.

Funny how Musk isn’t bringing the scandal of Epsteins abuse into the spotlight isn’t it?
Musk couldn’t give a shit about impoverished girls in the UK, this is about stirring up political discontent and right wing agitation.
While there will be a cohort who say ‘who cares about his motivation at least there’s action’ my advice would be don’t be so naive. Political upheaval and the accompanying disaster capitalism is good for billionaires but for the rest of us it’s disastrous. Brexit was just the start. Anyone who genuinely thinks Musk is a good asset to anyone but himself is an idiot.

JHound · 03/01/2025 13:22

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:08

It might put a stop to paedophile gangs drugging & raping 10 & 11 year old for a start!

You think removing democracy and having a dictatorial king will make our children safer?

(I know see why that other commenter suspected trolling).

Berga · 03/01/2025 13:22

GeneralPeter · 03/01/2025 13:12

Elon Musk is probably not a nice guy, but he's actually done a huge amount of social good, including (I'd say especially) for poor people. He's just done it by solving specific underlying problems rather than by applying a sticking plaster later.

He's made his money by:

• pioneering internet payments, accelerating e-commerce which helps keep costs down (and helps those who are less mobile too),
• driving development of electric vehicles and battery tech, and driving down costs, which are real, tangible steps towards addressing the climate crisis, which threatens low-income people and countries especially
• democratizing access to telecoms in remote/poor/disrupted areas via StarLink

On AI, the most revolutionary technology of the century, his big move was to try to make AI-development non-profit (via OpenAI) and safe, passing up an opportunity to make hundred of billions of dollars in the process.

Judged by concrete steps not by words, which living people do you think have done more for humanity?

You and I have very different views of what doing a lot for humanity means.

Ariadneefron · 03/01/2025 13:22

Sunworshiper · 03/01/2025 13:10

💯agree.

Give examples then.

You're not going to be able to give examples because they don't fit any of those categories and you know it. You're just saying random stuff.

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:23

namechangeGOT · 03/01/2025 13:21

People are aware that these gangs have been arrested, tried and are serving sentences; aren't they?
You can look up their sentences on wikipedia. Some got life.

@AdventFridgeOfShame

You are aware that these gangs are still in operation in my hometown of Rotherham?! Or do you think they got all the bad naughty misters and sent them all to prison, oh you sweet summer child!!

They are well aware but it doesn't suit their agenda & they don't care about the poor girls.

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OneAmberFinch · 03/01/2025 13:24

Sorry, what does Russian interference have to do with Elon Musk?

thousandsofdreams · 03/01/2025 13:24

poetryandwine · 03/01/2025 13:21

Why would the British authorities share knowledge of British crime, a domestic issue, in a manner accessible to Elon Musk? He wouldn’t have access to Interpol, either.

American authorities have only recently started briefing those members of Trump’s team who have passed their FBI vettings, because someone didn’t want Trump to use the FBI, but to go private with security searches instead. It is unclear whether Musk has completed his vetting. In any case I doubt whether the Americans care about this now.

So I am afraid I don’t see a factual source open to EM. That you think someone is ‘pulling the strings’ sounds like you believe in a conspiracy theory. Do please explain

I don't think it is a case of British authorities sharing knowledge though, was my point.

In relation to people pulling strings behind the scenes, it is well known that power and money have had influence for decades. This isn't conspiracy stuff.

As I said though, it was speculation only.

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:24

JHound · 03/01/2025 13:22

You think removing democracy and having a dictatorial king will make our children safer?

(I know see why that other commenter suspected trolling).

They were your words. You don't seen to see anything wrong with the drugging & raping of children. You called stopping those atrocities a "dictatorship "!

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Feelingathomenow · 03/01/2025 13:24

Horserider5678 · 03/01/2025 13:19

Where did I say I didn’t believe what has been going on? But that is not why Musk is doing this and you clearly cannot see this! Why is he not questioning the what is happening to white men who commit these abhorrent crimes? Can you not see that Musk is a racist, he grew up in South Africa during its worst period in history under apartheid!
Do you really lack the intellect not to see what his ulterior motive is? Trump cannot work with Starmer, therefore Musk is trying to influence Charles to dissolve parliament, so Musk can throw money at the Reform party and ensure that the disillusioned British voter votes for Nasty Nigel and his cronies! Hopefully Charles politely told him to go F&&& himself!

Everyone in politics has a motive, Do you believe any one of them is acting out the goodness of their heart..At this stage I just want to see children protected from rape and abuse.

All this conspiracy theory shit is distracting from the protection of our children

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:26

There should be a proper Netflix expose done into this.. it is one of the worst atrocities in modern day England.

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MonkeyToHeaven · 03/01/2025 13:26

SkiingonKaraSea · 03/01/2025 12:55

That is what the police said when girls reported their Muslim Asian rapists, and what politicians said when people pointed out these abusive gangs. So much easier to through around accusations of racism than address the harm to thousands of whitegirls.

Well, it's pretty easy to throw out the accusation when it's bloody obvious that's the motivation. Why are you trying to deflect from that fact?

If you'd taken the time to read through the report from 2022 you may have picked up on the fact that victims were failed by both police & social workers because of their class, not because of the race or religion of their abusers. That's a failing mirrored in the much more common cases of victims of white grooming gangs.

Let's not ignore the fact that the reason people were reluctant to tackle the issue of race was because of the fear that racists would weaponise it for their own ends. You've no idea of the damage done by government thinking they have to appease these people, the policies kept back that could transform people's lives because we can't have reasoned debate in this country.

CorbyTrouserPress · 03/01/2025 13:26

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:23

They are well aware but it doesn't suit their agenda & they don't care about the poor girls.

Neither do you. Anyone with half a brain can see what your true motive in starting this thread was and it’s disgusting.

WeMeetInFairIthilien · 03/01/2025 13:26

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 12:59

Exactly. This will escalated further & further if they don't speak out . England is already humiliated enough on an international scale at the way this was handled. Hope Musk continues to pile on the pressure . Could King Charles dissolve government?

King Charles won't dissolve the government.

Not least, because of what happened to the last King Charles who dissolved the government...

justteanbiscuits · 03/01/2025 13:27

Out of interest, how much does reform UK pay you for such posts? Because you can't possibly be so so naïve as to think Musk is doing this for the welfare of anyone other than himself.

JHound · 03/01/2025 13:27

azu · 03/01/2025 13:18

Musk has his own agenda. He does not care about the victims.

I worked for a street outreach project in a major northern city in the late 1980s/ early 1990s.

The activities of 'rape gangs' was going on then, and this was both before and after the Children's Act came into force in 1989. Children forced into 'prostitution' (as it was called at the time) through abuse, violence, threats, rape, drugs. Children arrested for 'prostitution' and not recognised as victims of abuse. Children imprisoned in houses to 'prime' or 'season' them for 'prostitution'. Children coerced and emotionally abused by adults pretending to be in 'relationships' with them.

The response of the authorities (police, social services) was terrible. Aside from arresting children (although I am not aware of any charges being brought), when pushed they would claim their hands were tied - for example, children were not willing to make statements against their abusers. We would give names, addresses - if it was acted on, it would be to remove children but not prosecute the men involved.

The point I want to make here though is that ALL the children we came across were in Local Authority Care Homes. They also happened to all be white (in a very diverse city) - and with little if any contact with family, and from unsafe, abusive backgrounds. Socio-economically deprived backgrounds. No family willing or able or aware of the situation to intervene. The gangs involved were all men, although they would 'recruit' slightly older young people, often young women, to 'groom' vulnerable children. The men were not from one ethnicity - but from ALL ethnicities. And children - quite clearly children - who were 'pimped' out on the street (mainly girls, but also boys) were abused by men of all classes and ethnic backgrounds. The only thing the perpetrators had in common were they were all men, and they were all paedophiles.

What I took away from this was that these men will target the most vulnerable children in our society in these cases of systematic gang abuse. And in the cases I'm outlining here, the lack of action was not an attitude towards the perpetrators, but an attitude towards the victims, who were seen as problematic, difficult children who would regularly abscond from care homes. Children who seemed tough, aggressive, who had an 'issue' with authority. These were children not attending school, taking drugs, whose lives were already 'scripted' by the authorities.

It was heartbreaking. I can't read the details of all these cases coming to light now, as it takes me right back, but I know about the 'race' issue of course, and Musk using this to simultaneously attack Starmer and 'immigrants' of a particular ethnicity. I am aware that these were not all children in the care system, and families were not listened to, just as we weren't.
In my experience, though, it was always about how the victims were viewed, rather than 'protecting' the perpetrators - that the children somehow were not worthy of safeguarding, they were somehow complicit in their own abuse.

Has that changed with these more recent cases?

This is a sobering but important post and why I worry about this. People want to make this a racial football. Without denying that there seems to be an issue with this in some Pakistani communities people seem to think of that problem is fixed then the problem of CSA
goes away.

When we will instead be tackling a minority of the problem while being intensely relaxed in ignoring the majority.

Lucyccfc68 · 03/01/2025 13:27

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 08:57

Well someone has to shine a light on it & demand a full inquiry. I am happy to see this get so much coverage, I am so angry right now. Girls as young as 10 & 11 drugged & rapes.
Good on Musk for putting the spotlight on England. He has called on King Charles this morning to dissolve government.
As a mother of three girls this is the most shocking & awful tragedy against women in our country. Justice must be provided for every child.

This is where Musk is spreading lies and complete dis-information (and the gullible are falling for it)

There has already been a public inquiry (2022) and the Tories completely ignored the recommendations and so have Labour to date. Not saying this is right, but there has already been a full enquiry.

Musk has also been calling for Yaxley-Lennon (Tommy 2-Bob) to be freed and saying that he has been a lone voice when campaigning for the victims and this is why he is in prison and he is a victim of our corrupt government. Tommy 2-Bob’s actions virtually halted the Rochdale trial and could have stopped the victims getting justice. He is in prison for repeatedly slandering and telling lies about a school boy (contempt of court).

I 100% agree that the actions from the inquiry from 2022 should be implemented asap and local councils crack on and have their own local ones, however to praising Musk for anything he is doing, under the guise of caring for young girls and the victims is ridiculous.

OneAmberFinch · 03/01/2025 13:27

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:23

They are well aware but it doesn't suit their agenda & they don't care about the poor girls.

And many of the community leaders, councillors, policemen, etc who helped enable it (and probably participated let's be honest) are still in their positions. Haven't there been cases of councillors who participated in the coverup, becoming MPs...

MojoMoon · 03/01/2025 13:27

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:13

So stopping men from raping 10 & 11 year old is a dictatorship now! You are aware of the age of consent & that all these children were raped & drugged.
If a dictatorship stops the exploitation of our most vulnerable then bring it on!

Ah, yes, many people living in dictatorships have often been remarked on their special care for the most vulnerable people in society and particular care of vulnerable women and girls.

Just thinking about all those examples of strong, powerful dictators who always protected women, including from abuse by their own henchmen and security services

Oh hang on...

MerryMaker · 03/01/2025 13:28

There was a comprehensive enquiry into child sexual abuse with various recommendations.

https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/inquiry/final-report/executive-summary.html

Musk is being political. If he actually cared about children being sexually abused he would be pushing for all of the recommendations to be enacted.

JHound · 03/01/2025 13:28

GeneralPeter · 03/01/2025 13:20

When a pre-natal scan detects foetal abnormalities (including perfectly survivable ones), the mother is informed and she has a choice about whether to abort on that basis.

Do you support her right to choose?

(I'm just trying to work out if you are an anti-eugenicist, or if your beef with Musk is about which flavour of eugenics you favour)

Sigh….

istheheatingonyet · 03/01/2025 13:29

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:26

There should be a proper Netflix expose done into this.. it is one of the worst atrocities in modern day England.

There was a superb programme made about this.

This is all being done to stir up yet more hatred of brown people.

CandlesClementines · 03/01/2025 13:29

Google evidence Rotherham from a home office researcher.

A quickie skim read says they found the police to be the biggest obstacle to help the children who wrote off "anecdotal evidence".

So they prepared a 10 page document "mapping" out the perps the victims with one man in particular whom several girls said was their bf and with several under age pregnancies. They said where the men meet wait take the girls to and so on.

The police chief who reviewed it said it was "unhelpful".

How can these people investigate themselves, there is simply no way
That police force needs taking apart.

JHound · 03/01/2025 13:29

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:24

They were your words. You don't seen to see anything wrong with the drugging & raping of children. You called stopping those atrocities a "dictatorship "!

No I did not call for the dissolution of democracy. You did. While also complaining about silencing of debate.

Goldenbear · 03/01/2025 13:29

Chainzreaction · 03/01/2025 13:24

They were your words. You don't seen to see anything wrong with the drugging & raping of children. You called stopping those atrocities a "dictatorship "!

No, undermining our democratic foundations gives rise to a dictatorship, this isn't going to help keep our children safe!

Are you British?

Notmyfirstusername · 03/01/2025 13:29

I do believe that we need to do more to protect vulnerable girls with chaotic or non existent family support networks being abused by men. The fact is that so many of the people commenting here only seem interested by the crimes being committed by groups of Pakistani or Muslim men. These poor girls have been treated in this way for generations by groups of men, and most of them have escaped justice. Funnily enough, the majority I’m aware of were white middle/upper-class males with strong community connections, just like those revealed in the Saville investigations.

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