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Gov refuses home office investigation into historic child sex abuse in Oldham

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Perzival · 01/01/2025 23:45

I've just read on x that Jess Phillips has formally declined Oldham council's request for the HO to investigate the grooming gangs in Oldham. Why on Earth would they do this? Apparently JP says it should be a local investigation? Clearly that is a conflict of interests and if the council are asking for help they should?

The only link I can find other than x is GB news (apologies).

https://www.gbnews.com/news/oldham-grooming-gangs-labour-government-inquiry-abuse-scandal

Labour REJECTS Oldham's call for Government inquiry into grooming gangs scandal

Safeguarding Minister Jess Phillips has said Oldham should 'take its own approach' instead

https://www.gbnews.com/news/oldham-grooming-gangs-labour-government-inquiry-abuse-scandal

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SidhuVicious · 05/01/2025 06:35

Wasn't she the one that sat there sniggering while a bloke was proposing a day to talk about male issues like suicide?

Itsallgonesideways · 05/01/2025 06:37

https://nordicmodelnow.org/2025/01/03/on-grooming-gangs/

This is a good article explaining the gangs and the UK government's reluctance to investigate them. Sex including exploitation is basically another income stream for the authorities. The UK government partly owns Killing Kittens which is a pop up brothel network. So the UK government investing sex gangs will probably lead them to a much wider network overlapping their business interests & therefore a conflict of interest.

On “grooming gangs” | Nordic Model Now!

Why we should not be surprised by the grooming gangs in Rotherham and elsewhere while the government condones and facilitates an industry that profits from the similar abuse of women and girls.

https://nordicmodelnow.org/2025/01/03/on-grooming-gangs

FunGoose · 05/01/2025 06:53

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SidhuVicious · 05/01/2025 06:56

Wtf 😳

miliop · 05/01/2025 07:19

@FunGoose I can't tell whether you're a moronic racist, or someone pretending to be one, in order to get the thread deleted.

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Upstartled · 05/01/2025 07:40

Good article by Louise Perry in the spectator yesterday discussing the tactics used by charity workers/ social workers to diminish the race hate dynamic of the raping gangs

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-rotherham-cover-up/

The Rotherham cover-up

‘Rotherham’ has become a catch-all for sex crimes that took place across the UK, not just in the town of Rotherham.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-rotherham-cover-up

Atissues · 05/01/2025 07:41

After everything I’ve read I’m thinking it’s an attempt to get the thread deleted.

By saying Asian girls mean a longer rape sentence the authorities have alerted gang rapists to the fact that it’s a shorter sentence to rape white girls. Plus white victims see their gang rapists get less jail time. Plus white girls are told they are harmed less by rape. We are failing white girls on so many ways with these statements.

But we are also failing Asian girls by allowing such attitudes about their value as a commodity on the marriage market in the U.K.

Also I see now it’s common to get 0 prison time for raping a child - lots of posts on X about these rape and torture gangs getting zero jail time.

Atissues · 05/01/2025 07:43

Upstartled · 05/01/2025 07:40

Good article by Louise Perry in the spectator yesterday discussing the tactics used by charity workers/ social workers to diminish the race hate dynamic of the raping gangs

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-rotherham-cover-up/

Thanks for that I must have read my free quota on articles for the month as I can’t read the entire thing.

Atissues · 05/01/2025 07:47

porridgecake · 05/01/2025 01:40

The other important thing that needs to be addressed is the heroin trade in these areas. It is the drug of choice used to subdue the victims, it underpins local businesses and the black economy through kebab shops and car wash businesses. It is the same people running everything and everybody knows.

I’ve read about barbers shops being money laundering cover ups too and nail shops. Is this the same thing? Are they involved?

I am guessing the councils get their business rates so a blind eye is turned to the businesses.

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Atissues · 05/01/2025 07:56

CherryBowl · 04/01/2025 23:41

What state are the girls in now?

For various reasons I’ll need to be deliberately vague here, but a female journalist worked with some of us to try and raise funds to provide private rape and trauma counselling to the victims of the rape gangs as the authorities had failed them so horrifically.

She was told in no uncertain terms that she’d not work again if she got involved.

Nobody, bar some some brave souls, would put their heads above the parapet.

So what state are those girls in now? I shudder to think.

There are a few very active and vocal people it appears. I’ve mentioned lots up thread. But they are shouted down.

Im still appalled at how many want to shut down conversation today despite there been so much evidence as to how bad this is. Criticising Elon Musk (who is now highlighting child abuse in the USA - maybe THAT was his main goal?)

If our governments - Labour and conservatives - had done their job properly. I see protecting their citizens and our security as their PRIMARY job. Then there would be nothing to criticise. Appalling. Labour and conservatives are both awful.

Elon is yet another distraction to stop us talking about the real issues at hand. Which is our successive leaders and police and judiciary and council and far too much of the general public think it’s okay to hide the fact some men in the U.K. are gang raping white girls to keep the peace.

Upstartled · 05/01/2025 07:59

Atissues · 05/01/2025 07:43

Thanks for that I must have read my free quota on articles for the month as I can’t read the entire thing.

It's largely lifted from her substack.

https://open.substack.com/pub/louiseperry/p/why-rotherham-happened?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=27mc59

Why Rotherham happened

A story of catastrophic elite failure

https://open.substack.com/pub/louiseperry/p/why-rotherham-happened?r=27mc59

Chainzreaction · 05/01/2025 08:02

Atissues · 05/01/2025 07:56

There are a few very active and vocal people it appears. I’ve mentioned lots up thread. But they are shouted down.

Im still appalled at how many want to shut down conversation today despite there been so much evidence as to how bad this is. Criticising Elon Musk (who is now highlighting child abuse in the USA - maybe THAT was his main goal?)

If our governments - Labour and conservatives - had done their job properly. I see protecting their citizens and our security as their PRIMARY job. Then there would be nothing to criticise. Appalling. Labour and conservatives are both awful.

Elon is yet another distraction to stop us talking about the real issues at hand. Which is our successive leaders and police and judiciary and council and far too much of the general public think it’s okay to hide the fact some men in the U.K. are gang raping white girls to keep the peace.

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I agree.The virtue signallers are out in force with deflection tactics as expected but the tide has turned . Concerned citizens & parents will no longer be silenced .

Atissues · 05/01/2025 08:11

‘If “political correctness” requires you to turn a blind eye when young girls are raped, then your “tolerance” is actually just evil hiding behind virtuous words.’

I read this online. I think it’s a good summary.

As a country we need to sort our shit out - it’s easy to say the right things it’s harder to DO the right thing.
Elon Musk has just uncovered the skeletons in the closet that our leaders were happy to ignore for their benefit. Our PMs silence on the matter speaks volumes.

CrocsNotDocs · 05/01/2025 08:13

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1247944/BBC-Jess-Phillips-MP-compares-Cologne-attacks-Birmigham.html

Here is a video link of Jess Phillips comparing the Cologne mass sexual assaults to a night out in Birmingham.

Her schtick is violence against women and girls, but she drops that like a hot coal if she thinks there is a more important group to protect on the inter-sectionalist victims hierarchy.

That said, she is in a potentially life-threatening position as an MP in a very volatile constituency where she is unable to name the real and present threat to her safety because to do so would result in her having to have some sort of existential crisis.

BBC: Jess Phillips MP compares Cologne attacks to Birmigham | Daily Mail Online

Jess Phillips expressed how domestic violence is not only an issue belonging to migrants coming from the middle east, when faced with question about Cologne New Year's Eve sex attacks on BBC Question Time.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1247944/BBC-Jess-Phillips-MP-compares-Cologne-attacks-Birmigham.html

Chainzreaction · 05/01/2025 08:14

Atissues · 05/01/2025 08:11

‘If “political correctness” requires you to turn a blind eye when young girls are raped, then your “tolerance” is actually just evil hiding behind virtuous words.’

I read this online. I think it’s a good summary.

As a country we need to sort our shit out - it’s easy to say the right things it’s harder to DO the right thing.
Elon Musk has just uncovered the skeletons in the closet that our leaders were happy to ignore for their benefit. Our PMs silence on the matter speaks volumes.

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Well the focus is on Labour now, the country has high expectations for a radical overhaul. They better not disappoint us!

Alexandra2001 · 05/01/2025 08:15

Barr77 · 04/01/2025 21:04

I understand about the need for action rather than just more inquiries.

I would like to see a new inquiry, especially one focused on grooming gangs, is the potential for fresh, dedicated attention and a targeted approach.

The Hillsborough Inquiry serves as a crucial example here. After the 1989 disaster, it wasn’t just about gathering information—it was about holding the powerful to account and correcting decades of injustice. The inquiry's success lay in its rigour, the public support it garnered, and the willingness of those in charge to be held accountable. It wasn't just a report gathering dust; it resulted in actionable change, such as overturning original inquests and the pursuit of criminal justice for those responsible. It was perfect though and the fight still continues.

In the case of grooming gangs, an inquiry could create a platform for transparency, gather evidence, and give a clear public signal that these issues matter. Yes, the laws are already in place, but it's about enforcing them effectively, which might require changes in resources or approaches. Without a fresh, serious investigation, there may continue to be gaps in how these cases are handled, especially at the level of police prioritisation or judicial consistency.

Regarding Elon Musk, while it might seem odd for him to be the one advocating for victims, it reflects a gap in leadership. Ideally, the responsibility should fall on public officials and institutions to address these issues directly. The fact that a tech billionaire is stepping in to amplify certain causes highlights the failure of the system to step up

A huge difference between Hillsborough & CSA is that football stadiums didn't carry on causing 100s of deaths each weekend, its was a tragic one off, caused by a series of unique and terrible decisions, then made far worse by the media and establishment cover ups.

CSA remains a scourge, its happening right now and is very difficult to stop e.g Childrens homes aren't prisons, children can come and go, same in the home, v difficult to stop perverted family and friends attacking children.

Look at the inquires into the Post Office, Blood scandals & Covid, lots of talk, and years of no action.

The Police and other authorities need to have the resources and guidance to refocus on grooming gangs and individuals wherever they exist & the inquiry's already done, have to be enacted upon.

On Musk, totally disagree, he is a stirrer, stated aim to bring down the recently elected Govt, no other, he backs Tommy Robinson, has nothing to say about the terrible death toll in American Schools or healthcare inequality... he is not a good person, acting in the best interests of anyone but himself.

Its a bit like saying Hitler was a good guy because he rebuilt Germany's manufacturing base.

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Alexandra2001 · 05/01/2025 08:20

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Says it all when posters like you use works like the P word to describe people from Pakistan.

Out right racism there.

Atissues · 05/01/2025 08:23

Musk has brought up crimes against kids in the USA today - they have 350k missing kids. Their new attorney general wants to investigate what has happened. Again it seems like the outgoing party havent addressed the matter. Different issue - sorry to derail.

Chainzreaction · 05/01/2025 08:26

Atissues · 05/01/2025 08:23

Musk has brought up crimes against kids in the USA today - they have 350k missing kids. Their new attorney general wants to investigate what has happened. Again it seems like the outgoing party havent addressed the matter. Different issue - sorry to derail.

The loony virtue signallers won't like that. One of their pathetic arguments was why isn't Elon speaking out for abused kids in the USA, how dare he interfere in the biggest scandal in the countries history..

Alexandra2001 · 05/01/2025 08:40

Chainzreaction · 05/01/2025 08:26

The loony virtue signallers won't like that. One of their pathetic arguments was why isn't Elon speaking out for abused kids in the USA, how dare he interfere in the biggest scandal in the countries history..

I'm not quite sure why you want a man who backs Robinson & wants to bring down the democratically elected Govt, interfering in the UK?

You are continuing with your attack line that nothing is being done to prevent CSA or the 100s of men in jail for these crimes.

I note you don't condemn the vile use of the word Pxxx, all good with you!

Just more insults.

FOJN · 05/01/2025 08:43

CherryBowl · 04/01/2025 23:41

What state are the girls in now?

For various reasons I’ll need to be deliberately vague here, but a female journalist worked with some of us to try and raise funds to provide private rape and trauma counselling to the victims of the rape gangs as the authorities had failed them so horrifically.

She was told in no uncertain terms that she’d not work again if she got involved.

Nobody, bar some some brave souls, would put their heads above the parapet.

So what state are those girls in now? I shudder to think.

Maggie Oliver has a charity set up to help the victims of grooming rape and torture gangs. I'm sure it will come as no surprise to anyone to learn she receives no public funding. If anyone can spare a few pounds I'm sure it will be out to good use.

https://www.themaggieoliverfoundation.com/

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