Gov refuses home office investigation into historic child sex abuse in Oldham

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I've just read on x that Jess Phillips has formally declined Oldham council's request for the HO to investigate the grooming gangs in Oldham. Why on Earth would they do this? Apparently JP says it should be a local investigation? Clearly that is a conflict of interests and if the council are asking for help they should?

The only link I can find other than x is GB news (apologies).

https://www.gbnews.com/news/oldham-grooming-gangs-labour-government-inquiry-abuse-scandal

@Cloclo15 she said it was only suella braverman who seemed to understand the issue and yes,get deporting. Sb sacked

Where have you been, if you think the police wouldn’t get away with it so easily now?The police are institutionally misogynist. Ask Samantha Smith, a rape gang victim who had the police (who brought none of her attackers to justice and who asked her if she’d consented to abuse which began when she was 5) banging on her door because ‘if you go on tv to talk about what happened to you, you have to expect us to visit you’. The police aren’t better now than they were then, not at all.

God, this passed me by at the time. Likening mass sexual assaults to a ' normal ' Saturday night out in town?! What was she thinking? Thanks for posting this.

The police aren't just misogynist they are also scared of this community. They're was an instance that was recorded at the recent riots where they told some Muslims to leave their weapons at the mosque and they'd turn a blind eye to the fact they had weapons. So obvs this leads to this community thinking they're above the law which they are.

It's the work involved in producing transcripts.

Court hearings aren't routinely transcribed so, if someone requests a copy, the recording is sent to a transcription company, whose employees will prepare a transcript from the recording. Obviously a fair amount of work goes in, and it will usually take several days to transcibe a single day's audio - and many trials are multi-day or week affairs. The transcription companies are businesses, so charge for their services.

Its not that the courts are saying "we won't give you the transcript unless you pay a fee" - its that the transcripts do not exist, so a requester needs to pay for a company to prepare one.

Court hearings aren't routinely transcribed

Perhaps they should be.

In principle and with unlimited resources, I don't disagree.

In practice, though, it would likely cost the taxpayer hundreds of millions per year, and in terms of access to justice, it is a fringe issue. Generally, being able to pay for a solicitor or barrister is much, much more important and legal aid (which was never really adequate to begin with) has been massively slashed over the last couple of decades.

Where are the community leaders condemning this?

@Menopausalsourpuss are we' not all scared of saying something wrong about islam?

The reactions have been pretty scary if you fall foul? Isn't there a teacher still in hiding because he said something wrong, people have been killed etc.

We can criticise and poke fun of any religion except islam

In 2016, there was an MEP (I think Polish?) who was the only one who asked questions in Brussels and demanded an investigation into the events of that night.

Our own UK female MEP essentially said we were racist for asking about it.

JP shared that opinion.

Cologne should have been an eye opener for EU countries to think about demographics and perhaps concentrate on opening doors to vulnerable children and women.

Hundreds of thousands of men arriving in the EU over the subsequent years, who see western women and girls as white slags, are emboldened by the blind eyes turned by many UK police forces to the systematic sexual abuse of young girls.

The Sikh communities took things into their own hands.

It’s a fascinating (and stomach-churning) issue, researching the attitudes of those public bodies supposed to protect us, when confronted by a mob of bullies squealing ‘racism’ and ‘phobia.’

What state are the girls in now?

For various reasons I’ll need to be deliberately vague here, but a female journalist worked with some of us to try and raise funds to provide private rape and trauma counselling to the victims of the rape gangs as the authorities had failed them so horrifically.

She was told in no uncertain terms that she’d not work again if she got involved.

Nobody, bar some some brave souls, would put their heads above the parapet.

So what state are those girls in now? I shudder to think.

Yes but we are talking about the police here. If there really is a community that is unpolicable and allowed to do crime with impunity why the flip are our leaders allowing mass immigration of that community and making the problem worse? And how is everyone else supposed to live alongside them. What a mess our leaders have created and just have their head in the sand.

That was to @Candles

People who live in the towns concerned have known all this for decades and have been silenced and intimidated every time they have tried to raise their fears.
Yet over the last 24 hours, another thread on MN is full of women (and probably some men) screeching accusations of racism at anyone mentioning this topic.
It is frustrating.
Virtue signalling isn't going to fix this.

This is exactly the problem.

Brendan O’Neil js excellent here; it boils down to how officialism, with jts inherit classicism, views us; too volatile and too dumb to handle the truth. We, the howling mob, would turn into vicious Islamophobes if given the facts, Therefore, rather than having a honest conversation, it was deemed best for our own good and to preserve race relations, that the truth ought be hidden from us.

He is not wrong.

This isn't going to ever go away.

Some are being threatened, blackmailed and bribed. The others have their greedy noses stuffed in the trough of the human rights industry.

No one goes into politics for noble reasons. They are all motivated by power and financial gain. We are all collateral damage to them - they only care about themselves.

Those ‘women’ have an agenda to influence the gullible - you must see that. I mean, I don’t doubt that some of them have been brainwashed, but most have links to charities or the Labour Party.

Exactly @porridgecake I am on another thread where a woman accused me of calling for Jess Phillips to be imprisoned & said I was laughing at Child Sex Abuse. Both blatent lies which she will not provide proof of . This is the problem. won't be letting this drop @adventfridgeofshame where is your proof . You can't go around misquoting folk online or in the real world??
You said I laughed at Child Sex Abuse from this interaction where I clearly said I was laughing at the op.
You also said I called for JPs imprisonment where posters have called you out as it is evident I hadn't read Elon Musks post.

These types need to be held to account every single time. You can't misquote someone & think you can get away with it.

I'm not backing down @adventfridgeofshame you have retracted none of your untrue accusations about me despite my requests.

The other important thing that needs to be addressed is the heroin trade in these areas. It is the drug of choice used to subdue the victims, it underpins local businesses and the black economy through kebab shops and car wash businesses. It is the same people running everything and everybody knows.

@porridgecake

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-rotherham-cover-up/

I need to catch up on this thread but an op shared on another thread. Horrific read . Shared to my socials & like minded WhatsApp groups. Every parent needs to read. Heroin is bloody petrifying. Safeguarding?

Maggie Oliver needs to be on every single news channel in this country. She is a very brave woman.

This is the problem. No one is above the law & it must be one rule for all no exceptions. Why are they being treated as such?