Gov refuses home office investigation into historic child sex abuse in Oldham

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I've just read on x that Jess Phillips has formally declined Oldham council's request for the HO to investigate the grooming gangs in Oldham. Why on Earth would they do this? Apparently JP says it should be a local investigation? Clearly that is a conflict of interests and if the council are asking for help they should?

The only link I can find other than x is GB news (apologies).

https://www.gbnews.com/news/oldham-grooming-gangs-labour-government-inquiry-abuse-scandal

Thats appalling reading. It sounds like Sammy Woodhouses LA went out of their way to encourage her abuser to apply for contact. Why the hell would you do that.

One of the rapists from Oldham was the local councillor responsible for safeguarding. Now in prison. Goodness knows how many of his friends, family, colleagues are still walking around Oldham and elsewhere. All these people had free rein to do whatever they liked in the name of " culture". There is no trust.

From Sammy's twitter? I spent time reading through her posts last night. Her accounts are harrowing.

@Chainzreaction Probably nothing. There are so many stories like this. If you aren’t on X go and read and watch interviews etc. There are so many men and women who have researched/been involved/campaigned for this. There is extensive material and some people have joined dots. This was happening in 50 plus towns. Yesterday Lowe said it’s still happening today. I think think the fact the world is now watching us a good thing. British citizens regularly comment and demonstrate about other countries Governments actions and our Government allow that to happen.

BBC don’t seem too keen to report on the topic. It’s not on their headlines. That’s a concern after the Saville/Edwards cases - you would think they would want to show the public (and the world as they are a global news outlet) they are anti paedophilia.

I don’t know the correct terminology for enquiries / investigations etc. But I cannot see how this can be investigated locally in any way. It’s like asking the BBC to investigate Saville. But I understand JP is fearful and I empathise. But why did we, a Western country, allow ourselves to get to the point where we are scared to implement the law.

The go fund me has almost raised the 16k needed. I think it’s happened in less than 24 hours.

Yes. Dots joined but what is going to happen all those who failed to act?
The world is watching & Labour have the power to change legislation & definitions. Anything less is not good enough.

I am also very interested in any paper or news channel not reporting this accurately. It’s easy to read the court transcripts produced so far. Listen to the MPs. Hansard article above. Access campaigners. Raped girls accounts and books. Old news articles. Old interviews. Accounts of whistleblowers. It’s time consuming - I have read/watched HOURS and hours of material over the past few days.

I think any paper/news channel etc choosing to keep quiet on this topic in Jan 2024 is a concern. What is their motive on staying quiet? What is their agenda? Are they being told to be quiet? Do they want to keep it hushed up? Acting like it’s not going on?

So why should I trust them with other things they publish?

Nobody has even mentioned the drugs and money laundering yet.

Another thing that has entered my head is are we now known (globally) as a Country that is a light touch on paedophilia? Short sentences. Suspended sentences. Most rapists get away with it. Courts finding it hard to sentence men as his word vs her word. Will people move here to abuse? Or will more abuse because the threat of the law is so weak.

As a mother that is a concern.

(Sorry this isn’t directly related to the topic).

Yes. Dots joined but what is going to happen all those who failed to act?

Yes, and those such as social workers and police who ignored cries for help or arrested parents trying to help their children.

https://www.gbnews.com/news/grooming-gangs-councillor-erupts-shocking-footage

in 2022 Liam billingham was shut down - link above. The link contains the video footage. He says he was then reported to police.

extract from article.
‘A Conservative councillor has lashed out after he was silenced during a council meeting for raising concerns about grooming gangs in 2022.
Liam Billington, a councillor for Stalybridge South and Shadow First Deputy for Finance and Growth at Tameside Council says he was then reported to the police after his tirade.’

Yes and I couldn't believe it when an advert for the documentary on the fake grooming scandal came up on Channel 4 last night. They'd be wise to delay showing that.

I expect absolutely nothing 🙄

I think we need to look at why prostitution, pornography, child abuse, drugs, domestic violence and rape culture in this country has been allowed to flourish? The last 50 years has made everything worse for women. It happened in the past we all know that but I remember decent men and decent fathers would openly talk about respect for women, not “taking advantage of women” and wouldn’t dream of watching pornography and were gentle and kind to women. 14 years old boys watching porn on the school bus wouldn’t have happened and anything like that would end up in a good thrashing. What the hell has happened to our country.

Part of this is that we don't have any sense of a shared moral framework any more.

There are many, many issues with having Christianity as that framework, but it helped guard against a lot of what you're talking about here.

Now we have a much looser sense of moral relativism where we don't seem to be able to take a clear stance on (for example) the impact of accessing porn on demand on young men.

I'm not sure how we bring that kind of moral thinking back into how we organise society. It feels very bleak.

I think we have also forgotten that young/teenage girls are easily exploited and taken advantage of.

We prefer to think of girls as strong, confident and as tough as boys. Of course, we want them to be, who wouldn't? But they're not. They need protecting. And somehow we now think that's a sexist, old-fashioned, patronising view.

And the end of the day ,the age of consent is 16 by law. Many knew underage children were being raped & failed to act.

I don't think accessing porn is the issue here (not that I disagree with what you're saying) but these men would of been raised in stricter more religious households than a lot of us. The ones bought up in Pakistan even more so.

They treat their own women bad enough Pakistan is a terrible place to be a women, but non Muslim women they consider to be completely beneath them "white trash" etc

This is not really about sex. It is about hatred, contempt, power, inflicting pain, demonstrating that they have complete power over the children, the parents, the police, social workers. They know that they have a free pass to behave however they wish because they do not have to obey the law. The law does not apply to them.

I think multiculturalism has been an absolute disaster. I read a case where a girl in Pakistan was raped and the sharia punishment was the brother of the girl who was raped was told/allowed to rape the rapists teenage sister in front of the village. That mentality does not change because these people are now on British soil. And education doesn't work as they despise our laws etc. Our authorities (and alot of middle class people who don't live in these areas) are so naive and so arrogant not to listen to the working classes who do live in these areas.

Extremely well said, User37482
From long experience I'm very much aware that the vast majority of decent asian people feel as you do, and what's too often forgotten is that the current approach is shoving them under the bus too

Worse still, it's only too clear that some who cry racism at every verse end actually care far more about their own virtue signalling than about the interests of those they pretend to support - as seen when they deliver the usual set pieces but disappear when the discussion turns to anything more positive which might actually make a difference

Surely you can see that your dismissal of the whole post with your 'flippant riposte' is completely inappropriate at the very least. I'm being generous here is I say that you should read the room better.

I think we need to look at why prostitution, pornography, child abuse, drugs, domestic violence and rape culture in this country has been allowed to flourish?

And that is certainly an issue, but it isn't this particular issue. Both should be addressed, and neither should be minimised by lumping them together.

They can’t help it. They’ve been brainwashed. The internet is a very powerful weapon and it has been used to indoctrinate an entire generation and teach them to reject western values. They’re so messed up that they think Elon Musk is more evil than these crimes against humanity. How do you reverse that level of insanity? They need to be deprogrammed, but how and by whom?

Well, These girls were viewed as prostitutes, they were often filmed, abused, given drugs, beaten and raped so in my opinion is the issue.

Certain cultures see all white, blonde, blue eyed women as prostitutes. They see women as responsible as they drive men to rape them. Like other people on this thread have said, it is the working classes that learn this and the middle class who close their eyes and ears because they don’t live in these areas.

@Atissues thanks for the Hansard link.

I'm thinking a special unit and court system set up for these cases with stringent deportation at the end where possible.

The Pakistani police seemed excellent and right on it when flushing out Sarah sheriff's murderers even though we have no extradition treaty.

It feels like the tip of the iceberg and it's hard to know what's going on within families also.