Gov refuses home office investigation into historic child sex abuse in Oldham

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I've just read on x that Jess Phillips has formally declined Oldham council's request for the HO to investigate the grooming gangs in Oldham. Why on Earth would they do this? Apparently JP says it should be a local investigation? Clearly that is a conflict of interests and if the council are asking for help they should?

The only link I can find other than x is GB news (apologies).

https://www.gbnews.com/news/oldham-grooming-gangs-labour-government-inquiry-abuse-scandal

The BBC made this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08rgd5n and https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08rgd5n as well as a ton coverage in its news pages.

Violated by Sarah Wilson is available on Amazon. A review by SG on Amazon on the page where you buy the book is heart breaking - she knew her at primary school.

I am not sure I can read anymore at the minute though.

I recall watching the angry aggressive Muslim men shouting en masse at Jess Phillips after her re-election. I think part of her refusal to allow the investigation to proceed is because she is terrified of a David Amess style attack on her by her own constituents. She’s right to be terrified and I can’t see too many female MPs standing in seats with a high level of Muslim voters in the future.

They did make that, yes.
However, I remember a court case being reported on in The Times and there was absolutely nothing about it in the BBC, at the time.

Maybe someone else needs to handle a National Investigation/enquiry? Where the men arrested and charged?

She learnt during the election campaign that it’s impossible to appease the Islamist mob. She’s hardly going to launch an investigation into child rape and set these angry men on herself again.

I agree with this. Dealing with this issue has been left for far too long.

That’s simply not true. A simple search of the BBC website throws up literally hundreds of reports - eg https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-tyne-40830816 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-11799797 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-66300938

Yes. I actually have sympathy for her. She's in an impossible position. I'm not her biggest fan nor am I a Labour party voter but what is she expected to do?

The decision should be removed from her hands by Starmer. She’s at too much personal risk of having her throat cut. And I mean that. Of course, it’s almost guaranteed to come out that Starmer would have helped the “asylum claims and immigration applications and fought deportation orders for several of these raping men (there thousands of them after all) because that’s what he did for a large proportion of his pre-CPS career. Plus there’s how he handled the mass rape claims during his CPS run as well.

I’m not saying that Starmer knew these men were raping monsters when he took on cases- just statistically he would have helped some of them.

But she isn't refusing to allow the investigation to proceed. She is simply following advice that it should be local.

It absolutely is true. I remember searching for the news story and there was nothing.
There may well be news reports now, but Andrew Norfolk in the Times was a lone voice reporting on these cases.

Another local investigation will just be another brushing under the carpet exercise. This is a national epidemic with corruption and cover up throughout. This is worse than Jimmy Saville IMO. I completely understand why she is terrified. These gangs are, and have been, completely outside the law for decades. The evidence is all documented, the investigations done, the reports written. The only point in kicking this can further down the road is to keep politicians, police chiefs, community leaders in their jobs and safe from retribution from the perpetrators.

Should a national emergency be called? I'm deadly serious. According to a video I saw from the House of Lords 250,000 girls have been affected by rape gangs.
It needs investigating from bottom to top with all involved who had the knowledge but failed to protect & safeguard these young women held accountable.

That’s it in a nutshell. It’s to keep them and their loved ones safe from retribution. The threat of having their heads cut off has motivated them to bury the evidence, so to speak. Of course, some of them will have other skeletons in their closets.

It needs to all come out of the wash. Those who failed to safeguard the young victims can surely be held to account under gross negligence if they failed to do their job correctly? I feel this really is far from over & the surface has only been scratched.

Dozens of men have been sent to prison, some even in last November.

As you say there has been a national inquiry, the Tories chose not to enact any of its findings.

As for the claim 250,000 children have been raped, anyone got a link to that please or is it hearsay?

Some survivors are saying the prefer a local enquiry because they believe it will be more granular.

I do think we need to have a genuine look at failures, the culture in these communities that made this possible and I think we have to have a public discussion about it. No hiding behind race relations. There is a problem, when so many men went raping with their own cousins and brothers, theres is a problem that is specific to this group of people.

I saw this yesterday and it captures how I feel:

You cannot prioritise public order over justice. We do not do this with other crimes.

https://x.com/richardbauly/status/1875087057200050665

I get why Jess Phillips or Starmer or a local police chief inspector might be anxious about things kicking off, anxious for their own safety. But we don't employ them to only do the safe easy things.

Appeasement of vocal special interests groups never works, they don't settle down they just expect to always be appeased. You never solve a problem that way. It's like giving in to your toddler when they tantrum for chocolate at the checkout, they don't just do it once they do it every time, and feel more entitled to the chocolate because they got it last time, until you finally say no and stick to your guns.

Someone is going to have the grasp this nettle, it's already been far too long and thousands have girls have had their childhoods stolen in the name of 'community relations'.

I think all the professionals who failed all these girls need to be investigated or reinvestigsted. Why did they fail to act? What are the consequences for these professionals? That's where Labour should be looking.

News headline today - Telegraoh

How the grooming gangs scandal was covered up
The child victims of rape were denied justice and protection from the state to preserve the image of a successful multicultural society

@Alexandra2001 House of Lords - I linked upthread. It’s easy to find on X

x.com/PierDelarboulas/status/1874597869644075176

Yes, the area has totally turned (I'm local to her) and I can see why she may be fearful of taking this on and why it would be more convenient to support a local inquiry. Personally, the more I read, the more I'm starting to think a national review is needed - this is a deep crisis and I think @Barr77 sums it up well when they describe the anger and betrayal amidst a context of declining trust in our institutions. It comes as no surprise to me that the likes of EM and others are tapping into this vaccuum.

An investigation local to Oldham will not cover Rotherham or Oxford, or Leicester, or Birmingham, or Bristol or govanhill or the countless other places where these hideous crimes have or, are taking place.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2019-05-14/debates/349FA275-CB65-45C0-87C7-EE16D1FD1B0A/GroomingGangsThe full document linked above is worth reading. Extract below -

Noble Lords may be aware of the case of Sarah—not her real name—which has been reported as one of the worst sex grooming cases on record. She describes how she was kidnapped aged 15, imprisoned in a house, forced to learn the Koran and beaten when she made mistakes. She was held as a sex slave for 12 years and was repeatedly raped by different members of the grooming gang. She had three forced Sharia marriages, eight forced abortions and two live births. Her abusers referred to her as “white trash”. They forced her to wear Islamic dress and permitted her to speak only Urdu and Punjabi. She has not received the help she needs from social services and is frequently suicidal.

Surely so many people must have been aware of this - slavery in modern Britain.

The gov hid the details from us. It was sanitised by the press. There is now a crowd funder set up on Gofundme so the sentencing and details can be bought as written transcripts from the courts. I understand it’s £2-4 per page. This will put the details into the public domain and it IS of public interest.

What is going to happen the professionals who knew & failed her. She was kidnapped at 15 surely professionals would have been aware she was missing?