Gov refuses home office investigation into historic child sex abuse in Oldham

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I've just read on x that Jess Phillips has formally declined Oldham council's request for the HO to investigate the grooming gangs in Oldham. Why on Earth would they do this? Apparently JP says it should be a local investigation? Clearly that is a conflict of interests and if the council are asking for help they should?

The only link I can find other than x is GB news (apologies).

https://www.gbnews.com/news/oldham-grooming-gangs-labour-government-inquiry-abuse-scandal

Is your tinfoil hat a bit tight @User8646382?

Fully paid up member of the Labour Party, are you? What an embarrassment you are. Shameful.

Rupert Lowe MP has confirmed on X that following many conversations today with a variety of people it is still ongoing.

‘’Talking to rape gang victims/campaigners today, it is clear that this cancer has spread almost unchecked. Horrifyingly, it continues today. Victims, past and present, don't need 'thoughts and prayers' from politicians, they need justice. We will fight for that in Parliament.’’

It's still going on today. No we should not "move on" what a ridiculous comment.

Funny how these woke idiots are obsessed with teaching kids about the bad things white people did centuries ago but when the reverse happens in today's world we should "move on" 🙄

Imagine if it was your daughter

I'd like to see Musk focus on tackling child sex abuse on X.

I think it was a mistake for him to lay off most of the Twitter employees tasked with identifying and removing images of child sexual abuse.

I'd like to see him and X actually engage with the Australian government's anti child abuse inquiry, rather than continuing to hide information.

I also support the Australian governments proposal to protect kids online by lifting the minimum age for social media use to 16 - I don't think Musk is right to continue to fight against these measures to protect kids.

'One of them actually told me, ‘Yes, it’s a red, but it’s not safeguarding.’ The father was a community leader and the social worker knew him.'

This is really shocking @User8646382. I hope you were able to escalate your concerns.

@BIossomtoes why are you crying conspiracy theorist and totally missing the point? Are you suggesting that these appalling crimes were not allowed to go on for over 2 decades without action being taken? Are you suggesting that there hasn't been cover up on a massive scale? Your dismissive post is really shocking.
@User8646382 this isn't just the Labour Party. The Tory party were in power for 14 years and did nothing, allowing this to continue. As I said earlier, if we continue to make it political, Musk vs Starmer or whatever, we just argue amongst ourselves instead of acting together and more effectively.

None of the above. I’m questioning a post which is entirely lacking in credibility. And the response to my admittedly flippant riposte only reinforces my initial reaction.

As tight as Maggie Oliver's?

x.com/maggieoliveruk/status/1875149363611144524?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

What a shameful post Blossom. Even for you.

https://telegraph.co.uk/gift/3cc332950aca9fd3

Maggie Oliver is scathing of Starmer.

It’s Labour and Conservative parties. Musk may not understand the issue and U.K. politics but least he has brought it into the mainstream. He’s clearly angry. Surely most people are? 250,000 little girls.

Conspiracy theory/right wing/bots - maybe that’s why no one discusses this on the biggest parenting website in the U.K. How many women are reading this thread who were/are being raped and tortured by these men? Or their daughters or grand daughters or sisters or nieces. Why didn’t they post today or previously? I don’t remember reading a gang rape post but there must be so many of the girls/women on here. If that is you and you are reading this I hope you get justice. The shame was never yours, it was never your fault. I really hope you find peace and happiness (I’m really rubbish at writing this type of thing but I do mean it).

I wonder if there are hundreds of people reading this without commenting too. It’s not a very active thread considering it’s global.

@User8646382 that's absolutely shocking about the safeguarding.

The approach of having "Community Leaders" involved in policing or any official business beyond organising cultural fairs needs to stop.

I actually don’t think the police are worried about white people rioting as much as they are Pakistani people rioting. When the the pair form Manchester airport were arrested a mob formed outside the police station immediately. The fact that female relatives showed up in court and swore at girls tells you all you need to know there.

Also yes community leaders should have nothing to do with policing. Either you have broken the law or you haven’t. It’s no business of any community leaders.

Which bit?
Within court documents its clear social workers actually supported the abuse
Sara Sharif was given to her Asian father not her Eastern European mother despite him having concerns regarding domestic abuse.
As stated I have my while life lived in very diverse working class areas there are areas within my city I won't go, I moved from an area I had lived for a very long time because of the implied threat (and not so implied) by gangs of Asian men if I dared go out by myself.
Try getting it if your liberal bubble it's brutal out here and kind of hard to hold on to everyone is the same and we just want our families to be happy and healthy.

I thought I should add this here as well.

I don’t think it should matter who is amplifying on abuse of children. It’s the abuse of children that matters not whether a racist is saying it. Is it true or not.

Race relations are worsened when justice isn’t being seen to be done. Nothing is improved if people suspect you can get away with raping kids just because you are Pakistani. As an asian person I care much more about the children than anyone being offended or giving succour to racists. We are talking about children being trafficked, tortured, raped and in some cases killed.

I don’t think you can be a moral person if you believe not causing offence (and I’m not talking about randomly insulting muslims, I mean just acknowledging that there is a problem and it needs through investigation given it appears to be an ongoing problem) is more important than protecting kids. If you are more horrified by elon musk saying shit on twitter than you are about an 11yr old being gang raped then I think you need to have a good hard look at yourself.

Also no damn rapist should have access to any of his children. It should be assumed that they do not have contact imo. The fact that some of these girls ahd to allow their rapists access to their children is bewildering to me.

The Oldham welfare officer was also raping an Asian girl

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/02/rochdale-grooming-leader-child-rape

He got 22 years for raping the Asian girl. This was after his initial Rape gang sentence.

‘He was banned from the courtroom in Liverpool for his sentencing hearing because of his threatening behaviour’

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-35590906.amp

Do you realise that CSA has gone on for decades, centuries even?

You talk about this v serious issue as if it had only started in July '24... which then makes a mockery of your so called concerns.

I posted about the convictions of Pakistani men in Calderwood, 22 so far, in 2024, no one is untouchable and no one has ever said the should be but have individuals made stupid, even criminal decisions? yes of course but your assertion that is some sort of conspiracy in the heart of Govt is bonkers.

Clearly all made up, consign it to "stuff that never happened"

Muslims are apparently "untouchable"

I think it’s probably just that a bunch of women are deeply concerned about children being raped. It’s probably that.

I don’t think that this government should be brought down over any of this, though. It all happened on someone else’s watch. I’ll judge this government on its performance over the next 5 years.

@shockeditellyou it has happened under Labour too. This has gone on for 25 years plus.

https://www.gbnews.com/news/revealed-senior-rotherham-councillors-knew-and-stayed-silent-about-towns-grooming-gangs-scandal-exclusive-in-depth-investigation/439769

https://labourlist.org/2022/12/dominic-beck-stands-down-as-labour-candidate-for-rother-valley/?amp

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/labours-troubling-rotherham-selection/

https://dywpk.org.uk/starmer-admits-cps-failed-child-victims-of-grooming-gangs/

there is also a times article from around 2012 that I don’t have a share token for. With Starmer admitting cps failed victims.

To be honest there is hours and hours of material. Ive spent the last two days reading it. But Cons and Labour are both to blame.

Watch Raja Miah - I put a link up earlier to him speaking. No idea how recent it is.

"You cannot prioritise public order over justice. We do not do this with other crimes"

https://x.com/richardbauly/status/1875087057200050665

Another just mind boggling snippet.

But they won’t.

It’s staggering how the so many so called left-wing media outlets have refused to report on this story.

Instead of focusing on the children at the centre of this horrific grooming scandal,
The Guardian has published a piece about how Elon Musk is allegedly “politicising” the issue. Musk has also been called separately in other articles the world’s richest ‘pub bore’ and ‘troll’.

So it is Musk who is at fault here for questioning the liberal orthodoxy.

While the public’s anger may not always hit the headlines, the sense of betrayal—especially towards institutions meant to protect the most vulnerable—is still palpable.

The erosion of trust in our political and social institutions is incredibly dangerous and there are consequences of this betrayal, which undermine the very systems meant to safeguard the most vulnerable in society.

The erosion of trust in social and political institutions also breeds deep anger, particularly among those who feel their voices are ignored or disregarded. When populist movements tap into this anger, they often frame it as a rejection of the "establishment" promising to dismantle or replace the very institutions people no longer trust.

Yea the problem is not child rape the problem is someone I don’t like is talking about it.