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Should I of gotten in the car?

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CountryVic · 01/01/2025 01:16

I have a friend with 2 kids, ages 5 and 10, her 10 year old has additional needs and can be quite hard work (suspected ADHD).

When we go out together, she has to drive because of the car seat requirement for her 5 year old. Lately her 10 year old will not get out of the front seat when picking me up, I’ve had to resort to sitting in the back with the 5 year old and her car is not overly roomy in the back seat. The last time I was in the back for 1 hour 20 mins each way and it was super uncomfortable on my back. In the past when I have managed to get in the front seat before him, he has kicked the chair constantly on the drive back.

Last week I was asked if I wanted to go watch their football game, so I said yes but that I needed to sit in the front seat. I reminded him of this on Monday when I bumped into them down the street. They came to pick me up this morning for 7.45am. He was not going to get out of the front seat, no amount of telling off or bribing or threats from his mum worked, and he was really shouting and winding the window up and down, if the door was opened he would slam it, my neighbour actually called out is everything ok? So I shut the door and said I’ll drive my own car and meet you there. She was a bit put out by this but I said my backs not been that great and I don’t want to sit in the back for 45 mins and he’s clearly not going to move.

So she left, I got in my car, but then realised that I didn’t know which football oval they were playing on. I tried calling her but no answer so I sent a text saying I needed the oval name and address and set off to the area I thought it was in. 15 mins into the drive I stopped for a takeaway coffee, no text response from her, called again and no answer. So I sent another text and said I’ll have to give it a miss as not sure which oval, and I went home.

I got a message from her at 11am saying it was a shame I missed out on their great day out and next time I should be a little bit more tolerant, because I know how their son can be, and that flexibility goes a long way in a friendship. I’ve responded that from now on it just may be easier if I drive myself, and that I’ve always been accomodating to her family’s needs, but the shouting at 7.30am was just to much for me.

Should I of gotten in her car? AIBU here to say I’ll drive myself from now on, so I can avoid all the drama? It does mean we can’t catch up in the car but to be honest he’s usually talking over the top of everyone and cuts you off so it’s not like the conversation is flowing well. I do enjoy spending time with them and she says she appreciates the extra hand as we typically do kid things when her husband is not available, and I always pay for lunch or dinner for us all, and my own entry into events. My children are in their 20s now so maybe I’m less tolerant. I do value our friendship, we’re the same age but I had my kids at 25, 27 and 30 and she had hers at 37 and 42 - we’re both 48 this year.

TLDR - would you sit in the back seat of a car if a child wouldn’t move for you? Or drive yourself.

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Skodacool · 05/01/2025 07:33

CountryVic · 01/01/2025 01:44

How else can I word it? Should I of hopped into the car? Clambered? Accepted a lift?

In hindsight I would have driven myself, but we live county so things are long distances, 45 mins to a football game, 40 mins to local school, 20 mins to the shops, 2 hours to bigger shops… so car pooling when going to the same place together does typically make sense.

Perhaps take some notice that you are mistakenly saying ‘could of’, instead of ‘could have’.

PicturePlace · 05/01/2025 07:41

I don't dispute that it's used in vernacular (although I'm highly dubious that it's used in theses, or that it's widely taught in schools)

Wow. Broaden your little mind. Gotten is correct formal English in many countries: Ireland, the US, Australia, to name a few. So far, far more English speakers use this as the correct past partible than those who don't.

Tessisme · 05/01/2025 08:56

Skodacool · 05/01/2025 07:33

Perhaps take some notice that you are mistakenly saying ‘could of’, instead of ‘could have’.

Perhaps take some notice that this was pointed out several pages ago by more than one poster. I’m sure the OP has enjoyed her little grammar lesson, delivered by the smug pedants of Mumsnet.

MummaEllie · 05/01/2025 09:04

IdylicDay · 05/01/2025 06:46

Wtf? @MummaEllie ? OP's friend is the one who needs to apologise! And no, at 10, we don't do child car seats in Australia! We're not strange like the UK is with that. Child seats are up to about 6. So that doesn't need to be moved. And you forget OPs replies (I doubt you read all her posts before replying) that its a FOURTY-FIVE MINUTE drive, and she CANNOT sit in the back like that for 45 minutes, and friend knew this! Its not 5 minutes down the road, its 3 quarters of an hour sitting like that!
And you missed, in her replies that as the car is a 3 door, the person in the front HAS to get out for the front seat to be folded, in order for someone to get in the back. So the boy HAD to move out for OP to sit in the back, anyway!

Edited

You clearly didn't read the post either as the OP said her friend has ti drive as she has a 5 year old who needs a car seat.

And your correct, i didn't read thousands of posts before I replied, I read the OP and made my comment from the information that was first provided.
If my friend had a three door car, even more of a reason for me to offer to drive my own car and pick them up instead so we could all travel with comfort.

Llamacroft · 05/01/2025 09:12

You shouldn't HAVE.
If it's a real friendship you'll have a conversation with her but you sound like you're judging her. ADHD is very real. She'll have the world and his wife judging her already. Separate the issues. Just go in your car and work on your feelings about your friend's child.

LostMyLanyard · 05/01/2025 10:21

CountryVic · 01/01/2025 01:51

Ohh, that’s my Aussie lingo, grammar is not my forte.

Noted for future reference.

Just ignore these posters OP. They absolutely CAN understand you, they are just being pedantic (and rude!)

Nothing worse than the faux 'confused' 🙄

Skodacool · 05/01/2025 10:31

Tessisme · 05/01/2025 08:56

Perhaps take some notice that this was pointed out several pages ago by more than one poster. I’m sure the OP has enjoyed her little grammar lesson, delivered by the smug pedants of Mumsnet.

That’s exactly the point I was making. There’s no need to be rude; it isn’t pedantic to want to see English being used properly.

Mitzuko · 05/01/2025 10:48

You did the right thing, respected yourself, offered to drive in order to accommodate your needs and at the same time you did your best to reach them, and received in return no apology for your friend's kid behaviour or for not informing you about the location. Very rude to cut you off after being nice and reasonable. I bet she did it on purpose as a punishment for not putting her difficult child on top of everything like she does.

You weren't picky about comfort, you seriously have a back problem, offered a solution that solved all the issues for everyone and in return have been cut off. How rude and unreasonable.

Also I'm questioning why you pay meals for everyone. In a healthy friendship it should be done in turns.

Please respect yourself, you've done the right thing and I'm not sure how much this a friendship or just a one sided relationship

cottoncandy260 · 05/01/2025 10:57

Summerlilly · 05/01/2025 01:51

It’s deadly, if the airbag goes off it can kill the child. The recommendation around the world is 12/13.
This situation alsp doesn’t apply to 4 children under 10 🤦🏼‍♀️
It’s one child that has plenty of room in the back.
The Op is also in country Aus where there is far more car accidents than the rest of Australia

You turn the airbag off.

I know that situation doesn’t apply here but you can’t make a sweeping statement saying no children in the front under 10.

Summerlilly · 05/01/2025 12:15

cottoncandy260 · 05/01/2025 10:57

You turn the airbag off.

I know that situation doesn’t apply here but you can’t make a sweeping statement saying no children in the front under 10.

It is a recommendation around the world and in the country of AUSTRALIA where the Op resides to not have children in the front.
You can actually also in Australia lose your licence and get a massive fine for having under 12’s in the front seat.
So it’s not a “Sweeping statement”

You should also never turn the air bag off, it can save the life of everyone else in the car

Allog · 05/01/2025 15:08

Being prepared to be picked up at 7.45 am to watch a friends unruly kid play football is going above and beyond imo. You should not have to suffer abuse for doing so. Your friend sounds selfish and ungrateful.

Quiinkong · 06/01/2025 07:59

Alittlecake · 01/01/2025 02:39

For people saying she is putting her needs above a child who has special needs - do you think that about the Dad as well? Is he putting his “needs” above the childs - because the Dad goes in the front seat and mysteriously the kid is able to fall into line then. Sounds like a want not a need!

And actually OP wanted to compromise by driving herself and therefore letting them both have what they want. But that still wasn’t
good enough for her entitled friend. She demands Op company in the car even if it’s causing her pain and discomfort.

I agree with the poster who said good luck to her friend on finding another mate who pays for both her and her kids meals , and travels 45 minutes to keep her company while she watches her son play sports!

Child's behaviour aside this whole fiasco was all on OPs friend , she should’ve asked her son to sit at the back before she set off from her own house. And if he refused to do that she should’ve then pulled up and texted Op to let her know in advance that her child is in charge she wouldn’t be able to sit in the front.

Op made it clear in advance that she needed to be in the front seat, so if friend couldn’t accommodate that she should’ve also let her know in advance. This probably would have led to OP offering drive herself that morning, without the showdown in front of her house.

think she’s really overwhelmed and she did ask if I can still babysit on Thursday night so she can have date night with her husband and I said yes of course I would still do that. But I think maybe car travel will be off for a bit.

Op, wow - once again I really think she’s taking advantage and taking you for a bit of a mug. Of course she has to get over her little sulk rather quickly since she needs you for childcare. Each to their own but I wouldn’t tolerate that kind of treatment from a friend.

Edited

All of this and more, including your previous post. Feels like we're the only ones who read everything OP actually said or maybe we just think differently from other people lol. Kind of sounds like OP is desperate for a friend though and this woman knows it, hence why she is behaving like this with OP. It's like being in a manipulative relationship. Ignoring her text message and then replying with that BS msg afterwards...i wouldn't be having it.

Tanjamaltija · 06/01/2025 12:34

@@Alittlecake 'No.' is a complete sentence. I stand by what I wrote. Do we know why the boy obeys his father but not his mother? If the friend does not want to go with the parent, she need not give reasons. 'No, I am not coming', is enough, but she can add, for good measure '...unless I sit up front.' Because the car is not hers, and she does not have an automatic right to the shotgun seat.

MizzT · 06/01/2025 14:55

NewNameNoelle · 01/01/2025 01:23

I’d sit in the back if a child with additional needs needed to be in the front, yes.

As an adult I wouldn’t make it a big deal / power struggle. I would agree in advance to drive and meet them there (I would also find out the address in advance)

You are putting your friend in a difficult position when her life is probably already difficult enough. Go in the back or agree in advance that you will drive yourself, hopefully this eases any issues and your friendship continues.

Edited

She also has her own needs with a bad back, which means she can’t cope with a back seat. Both the disabled child and adult need to be accommodated, both can be by her driving which she is willing to do. It is unfair to put either need first in this case, especially when it is so easily solved.

In reality there are no issues, but the issues are emotional and hurting on the child’s Mum’s side. It must be exhausting for her, understandable as she likely faces judgment all the time over her child and parenting. She must need support and her friends company has been part of that.

It’s hard to give advice except to do what you know may help: a coffee during school time for a kid free chat to discuss it and sort things out. Cake always makes everything better 👌😉 You could both agree transport: separate cars or maybe go in yours if yours is bigger, or you could drive your friends car. Then you need to discuss the bigger emotional stuff, how you guys feel, letting your friend know what you told us: you care & are here for her

Suek1995 · 06/01/2025 23:56

CountryVic · 01/01/2025 10:54

If you put Aussie Rules on your channel 4 for one game a week, what team would you pick? Please don’t say Collingwood 😝

re the costs, I am happy to cover hers and my lunch, and then pay for my own entry fee. She typically packs a lunchbox for the kids as they have food intolerances and the younger one has a severe nut allergy. Sometimes if she’s in town she will bring me a coffee and for my birthday she gave me a lovely bunch of flowers, so I don’t feel like the relationship if financially uneven.

The zoo pass was $100, it’s to a local wildlife park, so not a massive zoo like in a city. A lot of people buy the passes, you get a discount if you live local, it helps keep them financially viable, they do a fair bit of koala rehabilitation.

I was fully supporting you until the low blow about Collingwood. Disappointed Op 😝

CountryVic · 07/01/2025 07:08

Suek1995 · 06/01/2025 23:56

I was fully supporting you until the low blow about Collingwood. Disappointed Op 😝

sorry not sorry, Go Cats 😻

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TheSandgroper · 07/01/2025 07:59

Grand Final 1992.

TheSandgroper · 07/01/2025 08:00

Grand Final 1994.

ChocolateAddictAlways · 07/01/2025 19:26

Possibly your friend didn’t realise the severity of your back issues. Or maybe she felt a bit flustered.

I think it’s reasonable for you not to have climbed in if you know you will be in discomfort for the whole journey and some duration afterwards…but maybe best to drive yourself in future. Hope you manage to get things on track with your friend.

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