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Should I of gotten in the car?

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CountryVic · 01/01/2025 01:16

I have a friend with 2 kids, ages 5 and 10, her 10 year old has additional needs and can be quite hard work (suspected ADHD).

When we go out together, she has to drive because of the car seat requirement for her 5 year old. Lately her 10 year old will not get out of the front seat when picking me up, I’ve had to resort to sitting in the back with the 5 year old and her car is not overly roomy in the back seat. The last time I was in the back for 1 hour 20 mins each way and it was super uncomfortable on my back. In the past when I have managed to get in the front seat before him, he has kicked the chair constantly on the drive back.

Last week I was asked if I wanted to go watch their football game, so I said yes but that I needed to sit in the front seat. I reminded him of this on Monday when I bumped into them down the street. They came to pick me up this morning for 7.45am. He was not going to get out of the front seat, no amount of telling off or bribing or threats from his mum worked, and he was really shouting and winding the window up and down, if the door was opened he would slam it, my neighbour actually called out is everything ok? So I shut the door and said I’ll drive my own car and meet you there. She was a bit put out by this but I said my backs not been that great and I don’t want to sit in the back for 45 mins and he’s clearly not going to move.

So she left, I got in my car, but then realised that I didn’t know which football oval they were playing on. I tried calling her but no answer so I sent a text saying I needed the oval name and address and set off to the area I thought it was in. 15 mins into the drive I stopped for a takeaway coffee, no text response from her, called again and no answer. So I sent another text and said I’ll have to give it a miss as not sure which oval, and I went home.

I got a message from her at 11am saying it was a shame I missed out on their great day out and next time I should be a little bit more tolerant, because I know how their son can be, and that flexibility goes a long way in a friendship. I’ve responded that from now on it just may be easier if I drive myself, and that I’ve always been accomodating to her family’s needs, but the shouting at 7.30am was just to much for me.

Should I of gotten in her car? AIBU here to say I’ll drive myself from now on, so I can avoid all the drama? It does mean we can’t catch up in the car but to be honest he’s usually talking over the top of everyone and cuts you off so it’s not like the conversation is flowing well. I do enjoy spending time with them and she says she appreciates the extra hand as we typically do kid things when her husband is not available, and I always pay for lunch or dinner for us all, and my own entry into events. My children are in their 20s now so maybe I’m less tolerant. I do value our friendship, we’re the same age but I had my kids at 25, 27 and 30 and she had hers at 37 and 42 - we’re both 48 this year.

TLDR - would you sit in the back seat of a car if a child wouldn’t move for you? Or drive yourself.

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IdylicDay · 02/01/2025 04:59

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 01/01/2025 19:55

If one of my employees produced a document with "gotten" in it I absoultely would and should correct it.

I'm sceptical about it being used "all the time" in Scotland. It's a bit like posters who insist that swearing is used all the time in Scotland and is just a friendly endearment.

Well you would be ignorant and very wrong to correct it. Gotten is a formal official proper word, and should always be written. Your employees would be better educated than you in that case.

IdylicDay · 02/01/2025 05:02

Wilfrida1 · 01/01/2025 21:39

I was talking about me and my friends squabbling amongst themselves! You haven’t read my post properly.

The thread is not about you though is it. It is about an ill-disciplined child ruling his mum's life.

IdylicDay · 02/01/2025 05:03

AlexaSetATimer · 01/01/2025 22:01

and I always pay for lunch or dinner for us all

Just read OP. Why do you do this? Seems very generous, paying for a family of 3 as well as yourself.

Think she's got a fucking cheek saying you need to be more flexible, while sponging free food off you all the time!

Yep, OP is being a mug, her 'friend' is a bludger and scab.

IdylicDay · 02/01/2025 05:05

stichguru · 01/01/2025 22:27

Kind of everyone is at fault here. Mum knows a nice non-disabled child would just move for an adult (or child) that found sitting in the back painful. Quite possibly, sadly in a way, HE also knows this. He knows he should move, he knows he could move, but his disabled brain tells him that sitting in the back is not ok. He is distressed by it.

Neither of them wanted to say "no X sits in the front" because that makes him that disabled child, who's brain stops him doing normal things. Neither of them want him not to be able to move for an adult who's in pain, because he should be able to do that. Moreover, he quite possibly wants to do that, but his stupid brain won't let him.

You have every right to want to sit in comfort, but making them both go through this is not ok. None of this is ok. Sometimes with disabilities it just isn't ok, but it just is. Get a new ride, save all of you the difficulties. (Or just accept sitting in the back, but there is no reason you should subject yourself to pain.)

There is no evidence he has any disability. At all. He is just badly behaved and rude. He has no problems moving in the back for his father. This is just a powerplay from him and just a rude and undisciplined child getting away with it and ruling his mother's life.

Tourmalines · 02/01/2025 05:13

IdylicDay · 02/01/2025 05:05

There is no evidence he has any disability. At all. He is just badly behaved and rude. He has no problems moving in the back for his father. This is just a powerplay from him and just a rude and undisciplined child getting away with it and ruling his mother's life.

yep

Wilfrida1 · 02/01/2025 06:39

IdylicDay · 02/01/2025 05:02

The thread is not about you though is it. It is about an ill-disciplined child ruling his mum's life.

And I was pointing out that that Mum didn't need aggro about her friend and the car seat - she had enough trouble with her child as it was, whether because of the way he is or her poor parenting.

The OP had a choice and could have driven herself. Then she wouldn't have witnessed a meltdown, hurt her back by suffering in the back or now had a potentially awkward situation with her friend.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 02/01/2025 07:14

Tourmalines · 01/01/2025 21:31

Nonsense . Every Tom Dick and Harry that I will have a conversation with in Australia knows EXACTLY what gotten means .

And I know what 'elevator' means, but it's still not British English.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 02/01/2025 07:19

@IdylicDay

Does the Australian Education Department (or are there more than one?) have a list of official words, then? That must be a very long list. You'd think they'd just use a dictionary instead.

I'd love to see an Australian thesis (plural is theses, incidentally) which uses the word 'gotten', if you can share one?

Letstheriveranswer · 02/01/2025 07:41

'Gotten' is a word, I have always heard it used in the UK though generally more colloquially and verbally. When every Mumsnetter constructs every sentence in perfect grammar with no colloquialisms, they will have earned the right to criticise the use of 'gotten'.

Apparently it's more commonly used in America:

stroppyeditor.wordpress.com/2017/03/27/the-us-has-gotten-this-word-back-and-the-uk-probably-will-too/

stichguru · 02/01/2025 10:30

IdylicDay · 02/01/2025 05:05

There is no evidence he has any disability. At all. He is just badly behaved and rude. He has no problems moving in the back for his father. This is just a powerplay from him and just a rude and undisciplined child getting away with it and ruling his mother's life.

The poster puts (suspected ADHD) in the post, so yes it sounds like the child has a disability. Of course the poster might be making this up, but given that the child being made to move would be to her advantage, NOT mentioning a disability would make her look more in the right.

ClearFruit · 02/01/2025 10:35

ADHD is not an excuse to misbehave, shout and be rude. Nor is it an excuse not to parent or discipline a badly behaved child.

DowntonCrabbie · 02/01/2025 10:38

BellissimoGecko · 01/01/2025 01:23

Child with suspected ADHD, do you mean?

Having two children with ADHD, I don't see the relevance of this possibility to the issue at hand. Having ADHD doesn't explain this behaviour at all, not excuse it

Schoolchoicesucks · 02/01/2025 10:46

I don't think there is anything wrong with arranging to meet your friend there if you know that the transport sharing is going to cause issues.

I also don't think there is anything wrong with meeting your friend when her DC's are in school if you want to be able to have adult catch ups.

If you being an extra adult to help her out on family days works for you both then stick to meeting there - like you say, you don't get to chat freely in the car anyway.

It's a pity this outing resulted the way it did, if you value the friendship then put simple steps in place to avoid the same thing happening again in future.

I don't think you did anything wrong, other than not finding out the relevant info about where to go beforehand. She may well have been frazzled after the journey and that's why she didn't respond immediately with the location.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 02/01/2025 10:50

IdylicDay · 02/01/2025 04:59

Well you would be ignorant and very wrong to correct it. Gotten is a formal official proper word, and should always be written. Your employees would be better educated than you in that case.

"Gotten" is not formal English.

hideawayforever · 02/01/2025 10:50

BeLilacSloth · 01/01/2025 02:11

You put your needs above a child with additional needs?? I doubt this friend will ever want to see you again.

But the child sits in the back when his Dad goes with them, maybe he knows he can't get away with his rude behaviour then.
I know kids with ADHD and they wouldn't get away with being rude or spoilt.

I don't think using ADHD as an excuse to get whatever they want is standing them in good stead for their future life.

lemonchops111 · 02/01/2025 11:05

FFS… for anyone remotely interested in this hijacked thread please read below and sod off of this thread
Yes, the word "gotten" is in several dictionaries, including:
Cambridge Dictionary: Defines "gotten" as the past participle of the word "get"

Macquarie Dictionary: Explains that "gotten" is the past participle of "get", but "got" can also be used as the past participle

Dictionary.com: Defines "gotten" as the past participle of "get" and provides examples of its use

Merriam-Webster: Provides information about the definition of "gotten"

Oxford English Dictionary: Provides information about the frequency of "gotten"

Collins English Dictionary: Provides a definition of "gotten"
🙏🏻🤯😩

wizzywig · 02/01/2025 11:07

This is not a goady question, but how comes you spend so much money on this family? You've just bought them a years pass to a zoo.

IdylicDay · 02/01/2025 11:08

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 02/01/2025 10:50

"Gotten" is not formal English.

Yes it most certainly is. I've already posted proof that it is original formal English, on this thread. It is certainly more formal, more proper and more correct than that ghastly 'got'.

BellissimoGecko · 02/01/2025 11:15

lemonchops111 · 02/01/2025 11:05

FFS… for anyone remotely interested in this hijacked thread please read below and sod off of this thread
Yes, the word "gotten" is in several dictionaries, including:
Cambridge Dictionary: Defines "gotten" as the past participle of the word "get"

Macquarie Dictionary: Explains that "gotten" is the past participle of "get", but "got" can also be used as the past participle

Dictionary.com: Defines "gotten" as the past participle of "get" and provides examples of its use

Merriam-Webster: Provides information about the definition of "gotten"

Oxford English Dictionary: Provides information about the frequency of "gotten"

Collins English Dictionary: Provides a definition of "gotten"
🙏🏻🤯😩

Gotten is the past tense of get in US English. Not British English. (I'm an editor.)

sonjadog · 02/01/2025 11:37

BellissimoGecko · 02/01/2025 11:15

Gotten is the past tense of get in US English. Not British English. (I'm an editor.)

Exactly.

IdylicDay · 02/01/2025 11:45

BellissimoGecko · 02/01/2025 11:15

Gotten is the past tense of get in US English. Not British English. (I'm an editor.)

Well its about time that changed then. Especially since gotten originated in British English. The more people are encouraged to use it in order to speak proper English, the better.

LBFseBrom · 02/01/2025 13:01

IdylicDay · 02/01/2025 11:45

Well its about time that changed then. Especially since gotten originated in British English. The more people are encouraged to use it in order to speak proper English, the better.

Yes, 'gotten' is grammatical. 'Should 'of' gotten is not :-).

strawberrysea · 02/01/2025 13:16

YANBU. Not your fault that her child can't behave. Sounds as if you've been a very good and understanding friend.

BellissimoGecko · 02/01/2025 15:56

But why, @IdylicDay? We have 'got', which works perfectly.

BellissimoGecko · 02/01/2025 15:58

And here in fact you need the past tense, 'got', not the past participle. 'Got' is the only possible correct word here.

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