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to want to see my Dad without my (awful) stepmum sometimes?

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LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:19

Hi all. I'm new here, go gentle!

Around this time of year, I have my annual argument with my stepmother. It was pretty low-key this year: at our annual pre-Christmas get together, she made a few snarky comments; I told her to pipe down after the final snarky comment; and she apologised. (More detail on that later!)

But it's raised a perennial issue: my stepmother and I fundamentally do not get on, and I would really like to see my Dad occasionally without her being there. But this never happens. Around this time every year, following my annual tiff with my stepmum, my sister (42, two kids) and I (40, no kids) have a word with my Dad - just "hey Dad, it would be really nice to hang out together without stepmum being there". After that, we usually have ONE walk together, he's a bit awkward about the whole thing, and then it just goes back to normal, i.e. her always being there.

It's not just that she's always there when we see him, either. Even when we call his mobile, he always puts us on speaker so that she can be involved in the conversation. We hardly ever even get to text privately; he routes all texts through the group family chat, which includes him, her, my sister and I, and my stepsisters.

Dad and stepmum have been married for 20-odd years. He left my mother for her (he was having an affair with her). I'm not particularly arsed about that tbh; mum also had affairs. I'd like to state upfront that I haven't put her into some "Evil Stepmother" trope; I'm happy that he's found someone. It's not the "stepmum" factor; it's specifically about HER, as an individual. We have wildly different values. She comes from Old Money and is, frankly, a massive snob. (My Dad came from nothing, for context, but made pretty good money by working his way up in a company, back when that was a possibility!)

This clash in values tends to be where our arguments stem from. This year, for example, at the annual Christmas get-together:

  • One of the dogs spilt my sister's drink over the table. It's this super-expensive, ornate, carved wooden table with a glass top. Stepmum FREAKED THE FUCK OUT, literally shrieking, talking about how they'd need to get it professionally cleaned etc etc. It was literally a bit of prosecco. My sister was mortified and left soon after.
  • My stepsister's fella (early 30s), an ordinary lower-middle-class bloke from Birmingham, mentioned that his mother isn't much of a wine drinker, she thinks Echo Falls is brilliant. To which, again, stepmother SHRIEKS with laughter. She's literally a millionnaire. Laughing at this ordinary working-class woman who doesn't know about wine. It made me feel physically sick. Bearing in mind, too, that my partner (50f) was also there, and she grew up in care, on the absolute bones of her arse; Echo Falls would've been a distant fucking DREAM.
  • My sister and I gave Dad and stepmum a hamper with loads of posh food in it for Xmas. I wrapped it in cellophane and ribbons and whatnot. I made a joke about how shit I am at wrapping things (context: I'm from South Wales, self-deprecation is endemic to our humour). She shrieks: "Oh I bet you relished the opportunity to skive off work for a bit to wrap it!" I work 60-hour weeks for a human rights organisation. She is an ex-doctor, and (endemic to the profession, in my experience!) therefore thinks she is better than everyone else. (This final comment was when I told her to pipe down, and she apologised, while shrieking.)

I just feel like whenever I'm at her (perfect show-home) house, I'm playing a bit-part in a fantasy M&S advert - with her at the centre. I never feel comfortable there, because if a drink gets spilled or you get too close to some expensive item of homeware, all hell breaks loose. Don't get me wrong: she cooks, she hosts, that's very generous of her. But it's The Stepmum Show, constantly. She takes over the conversation, she's not funny (unforgivably, imo!), she's just incredibly UP herself - and, as I said, a massive snob. The above is the tip of the iceberg, honestly. She literally thinks people who weren't born into inherited wealth are basically lazy and stupid.

She's always been a bit weird with me tbh. E.g. when I was about 20, we had a blazing row about something or other, and she apologised afterwards and told me straight-up that she is intimidated by my intelligence. I mean honestly, wtf?! Even if you FELT it, would you SAY it?! But she does seem majorly insecure, like she had a very good education but was essentially educated above her intelligence because her parents were rich; she seems very uncomfortably with the fact (which I LOVE) that intelligence is pretty equally distributed among the population, and you cannot fucking BUY it, however hard you try.

I'm ranting, sorry!

Everyone who's met her agrees that she's awful, a snob, and wtf is Dad doing with her - but Dad seems, or acts, oblivious. As I said, he's from a very working-class, South Wales background. He never sees his friends anymore, really; they obviously think she's a stuck-up bitch. He is also more or a less a functioning alcoholic at this point. Getting slowly sozzled on posh wine while she runs the Stepmum Show and offends everyone, seemingly obliviously.

One more example of what she's like: a few years back, she and my Dad went on a weekend away for his best mate's 60th. She took one of his childhood friends aside and said: "Do you mind not talking about your childhood memories this weekend? I don't really like hearing about times before [Dad] and I were together."

My sister is a peacekeeper, plus Dad and stepmum do a huge amount to help with their kids (she is not entirely evil - she is very generous in helping with the kids). So she is not one to rock the boat. She also lives very close to them, and he helps her out a lot, sees her a lot, etc. I only live about 20 miles away, mind, but he never comes up here (and when he does, it's always with stepmum).

I'm wondering wtf to do, tbh. I love my Dad and I know he loves me. More than that, we LIKE each other; we get along great. But she just takes over every single interaction and it's really getting on my tits and affecting my relationship with him.

I'm not stupid: I know I'm not gonna change her and he's not gonna leave her. So I'm trying to think what to do that wouldn't just be me ranting. I was thinking of maybe writing him an email (presuming she doesn't check his emails as well as answer his phone, but who knows, honestly). Just explaining how I feel. Especially, explaining that I'm not avoiding HIM (I'm really worried that he thinks I am), that the problem isn't HIM, it's HER (though the problem is also, let's face it, him being a bit fucking useless in a Man way). And just asking if we can spend time together without her. But I don't want to make his life more difficult for him, either. But an email could help because he wouldn't immediately FORGET it (which he has a tendency to do with phone calls, probably because of the whole high-functioning alcoholic thing), and he could read back over it, and tbh I'm better at communicating via writing than in person / on the phone anyway, and he could have some time to process it?

Is this just a losing battle, do I just need to get over it?!

Thanks so much in advance for any advice / shared stories / etc! <3

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Hoglet70 · 27/12/2024 19:23

I think you need to get over it, she's not going away.

You don't need to know anything about wine to know that Echo Falls is shit buy the way lol

LadyTiredWinterBottom2 · 27/12/2024 19:24

If your dad doesn't listen to your (reasonable) requests to see him alone, l'm not sure what you can do.

What does mum think? Presumably, she was with him for 20 odd years as well.

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:29

@LadyTiredWinterBottom2 Mum thinks I should tell stepmum exactly what I think of her and be honest with Dad. I love my mother, but she is not one for subtlety, has painted their marriage as absolutely perfect in retrospect (all I remember is them fucking hating each other lol), and absolutely despises my stepmother for "taking him away". She also loves drama... so it's hard to talk to her about it and expect anywhere near a reasonable response tbh!

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Tandora · 27/12/2024 19:30

I mean none of the examples you’ve given sound that bad tbh. She just sounds annoying. I think you are fighting a losing battle, sounds like your dad is one of those men who outsources / routes all his social interactions through his partner . 🤷🏼‍♀️

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:32

@Tandora Yeah he 100% does outsource his social life to her. Why are men so weird/useless?!

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LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:34

@Tandora On the "she just sounds annoying" thing - ha, yeah, possibly - so WWYD if you absolutely cannot stand someone, but seeing your father is contingent on seeing them at the same time?! (serious question!)

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DrinkFeckArseBrick · 27/12/2024 19:40

Agree she sounds really annoying but not fundamentally evil. You won't get anywhere by telling him how annoying you find her. I'd just concentrate on asking him to spend some one on one time with him, for some reason focused on him or you (eg you've not seen him on his own for ages, you've got a sensitive problem you want to chat about etc) rather than because you can't stand her. Suggest activities you know she doesn't like but he does, or times when she has said she is busy. Otherwise you're going to have to accept they come as a pair and either put up with her, or put up with seeing him less.

GetyourheadoutoftheovenIris · 27/12/2024 19:40

Why aren’t you blaming your Father for not having the ability to see you without her? Why doesn’t he stand up for his daughters and tell her to calm down when she’s becoming hysterical about her table?

He is the problem.

Whatshallwedohere · 27/12/2024 19:42

You say she is the snob but from what you have said here, you’re judging her non stop and she must be able to sense that. Relax and accept it for what it is. 20 years down the line now and if you’re Dad really is a functioning alcoholic then I have some sympathy for your stepmum in all honesty.

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:45

@GetyourheadoutoftheovenIris I mean yeah, I totally agree. He is far from blameless in the situation. I think it's a mixture of him being accustomed to it and him being quietly pissed a lot of the time. (I should clarify that she also drinks a lot, daily, but not as much volume as him.) But the examples I gave in my post were very mild. It's kind of like death by a thousand cuts, you know? So it's hard to give suitable examples because it's more like constanty digs, at me, whenever we see ech other. And he totally ignores them. So yes, he's being really shit as well by not standing up for me (and my sister). He occasionally tells her to pipe down, and then she cries hysterically.

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LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:47

@DrinkFeckArseBrick Yeah I think you are right, I need to ask him to spend some time with me without her, without mentioning how I feel about her. This is probably really lame but I'm not sure how to do that! I think if I suggest it, his first question will be "why?" There aren't any hobbies we share that I could suggest we do and that would "accidentally" exclude her. Hmm...

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AutismTimesTwo · 27/12/2024 19:48

Child of divorce here, can relate and understand why this is really difficult.

It's complex and not something you can just 'get over'

Sounds like you try to tell him that you want to spend time together without her there every time, but that it goes back to being the pair of them after one outing.

I imagine he is getting a load of grief from her, so puts having a quiet life before your desire to spend time alone with him.

I'm sorry it's like that, beyond telling him again, I'm not sure what to suggest. I totally get it though and hope you find a way through it.

Tandora · 27/12/2024 19:49

Tandora · 27/12/2024 19:30

I mean none of the examples you’ve given sound that bad tbh. She just sounds annoying. I think you are fighting a losing battle, sounds like your dad is one of those men who outsources / routes all his social interactions through his partner . 🤷🏼‍♀️

It is useless I agree. I have no idea why really. I suspect a mixture of laziness and social incompetence? I’m sorry OP it does sound really shit. I think all you can do is keep trying to encourage him to spend time with you 1-on-1 and hope that it eventually sinks in..

LadyTiredWinterBottom2 · 27/12/2024 19:52

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:29

@LadyTiredWinterBottom2 Mum thinks I should tell stepmum exactly what I think of her and be honest with Dad. I love my mother, but she is not one for subtlety, has painted their marriage as absolutely perfect in retrospect (all I remember is them fucking hating each other lol), and absolutely despises my stepmother for "taking him away". She also loves drama... so it's hard to talk to her about it and expect anywhere near a reasonable response tbh!

What does mum think of how your dad is behaving? She'll never like SM, she's the OW.

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:53

@AutismTimesTwo Thank you so much <3 Tbh just knowing that other people know what I'm on about helps a bit - but I'm sorry that you've had a similar experience, too!

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LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:55

@LadyTiredWinterBottom2 Ohhh sorry I misunderstood you! Mum thinks Dad is being utterly shit, needs to man up, needs to see my sister and I alone without stepmother, needs to stand up to his wife, needs to take his role as father more seriously, etc. Mum also has a partner of 20-odd years but we nearly always see each other without him there and have proper chats etc. She would never let a partner come between her relationship with her children, basically, and thinks Dad is being a prick for doing so.

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Jeregrettebeaucoup · 27/12/2024 19:57

Could you perhaps buy tickets to an event for just the two of you? Something SM wouldn't be interested in?

Or ask him to tell you more about his side of the family tree, take a walk/drive to places he used to live as a child? If it's working class enough DM probably wouldn't want to tag along.

Zemu · 27/12/2024 20:00

It sounds like you’ve got to the point where everything she does annoys you. The Echo Falls thing was presented as a funny comment, right, and she laughed? She was concerned about furniture being damaged by a spillage. These things all sound pretty minor.

I don’t think there’s anything to be gained by writing an email to your dad about her. You say she does kind and generous things so I wonder whether you could try to notice those things more and cultivate some warmer feelings towards her. Try to release the anger, whatever the source of it is. Its not good for you , either.

If she married your dad, who was from an ordinary background, she can’t be that much of a snob. She can’t help her background, or the way she was raised, any more than you can.

I wonder if you could book something, an activity or tickets to something. to do with your father , to get that one on one time.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 27/12/2024 20:02

It's less painful to blame your stepmum than face the fact that your dad doesn't care enough about you to give you some 1:1 time.
Maybe it is time to be blunt with him.

Blueuggboots · 27/12/2024 20:06

I feel your pain. My dad's partner is a monologuer....and doesn't draw breath, ever!!

I'd LOVE to have a conversation with my dad. But he won't come without her.....

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 20:07

@Jeregrettebeaucoup Ooh maybe a whistlestop tour of the Valleys! She'd prob tag along while shrieking about how poor everyone is...

Lol sorry (miaow)!

I think the problem with the "do something with Dad that she wouldn't like" idea - while it's a v good idea, and I appreciate any and all suggestions! - is that me and Dad have absolutely nothing in common... We're very different people, he's very much a Man's Man really, into sports and stuff (I'm the black sheep of the family, quite booksy/artsy/politicsy). He would love it if he could help me out with something practical / manly / etc., but I have a butch lesbian girlfriend - don't need anything practical doing, you know?! So there are no shared interest to bond over; we just get along well. We could do a walk together, but she likes walking too (has all the best outdoor gear, obvs) and would be offended at not being invited...

He does go and watch my nephew play football every Sunday without her, maybe I could tag along to that (but I hate football lol) (but maybe that's ok)

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DaisyChain505 · 27/12/2024 20:08

You’re never going to change who she is or how she acts so I would just let it go.

tell your dad that you want to spend more time with him alone as father and daughter due to the fact that you clash with stepmum.

It’s ok to admit that you don’t gel well together but it doesn’t need to be world war 3.

if you do go round whilst she’s there, take a deep breath before you enter, don’t take anything to heart and just remind yourself you’ll be leaving in an hour!

RandomMess · 27/12/2024 20:10

Just phone up and arrange to take him to some working class social pub for some Daddy Daughter time.

Be blunt if she tries to tag along, "no it's just us 2" and get into the habit of doing it. Presumably she sees her DC without your Dad tagging along?

DreamTheMoors · 27/12/2024 20:11

I’m not a stepmother, but I imagine if I were, I imagine I’d arrange to disappear for awhile so that my husband could spend a few cherished moments alone with his children.
It isn’t rocket surgery. It isn’t brain science.
Is your stepmother afraid you’re gonna talk about her behind her back or something equally as silly?
For all her accomplishments, she seems very insecure. Loud people often are.

Mamasperspective · 27/12/2024 20:11

I would start getting a little passive aggressive and calling her out in the moment EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Be calm and keep your composure, if she gets irate, let her but keep reiterating your point:

"Stepmother we appreciate the table is expensive but I think you need to step into the other room, compose yourself and regulate your emotions. You are making a spectacle of yourself with your outburst which I wouldn't expect of someone with your upbringing"

"Stepmother, I do not see anything wrong with drinking Echo Falls or anything else that someone chooses to drink. People have different tastes and that's ok. We're not all born into riches. However, to belittle others for their choices is particularly uncouth. Please demonstrate a little more decorum"

"Stepmother, I work a 60 hour week. I appreciate that now you have retired, you have likely forgotten what that feels like so I would appreciate it if you kept such comments to yourself"

If she starts hitting the roof, I would say, "You appear to be losing your cool. I am not shouting at you, nor raising my voice. Maybe you need to take some time out to calm down then we can approach this conversation with a little more class"

When it comes to your dad, for Father's Day, Christmas, Easter, birthdays - book tickets for you and him to go and do something together. If you book them in advance and stepmother suggests coming, you can just say, "Actually I just really want some quality father/daughter time and there are no seats available near where we will be sitting regardless. Maybe you could book yourself in for a spa day with your friends instead"

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