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to want to see my Dad without my (awful) stepmum sometimes?

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LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:19

Hi all. I'm new here, go gentle!

Around this time of year, I have my annual argument with my stepmother. It was pretty low-key this year: at our annual pre-Christmas get together, she made a few snarky comments; I told her to pipe down after the final snarky comment; and she apologised. (More detail on that later!)

But it's raised a perennial issue: my stepmother and I fundamentally do not get on, and I would really like to see my Dad occasionally without her being there. But this never happens. Around this time every year, following my annual tiff with my stepmum, my sister (42, two kids) and I (40, no kids) have a word with my Dad - just "hey Dad, it would be really nice to hang out together without stepmum being there". After that, we usually have ONE walk together, he's a bit awkward about the whole thing, and then it just goes back to normal, i.e. her always being there.

It's not just that she's always there when we see him, either. Even when we call his mobile, he always puts us on speaker so that she can be involved in the conversation. We hardly ever even get to text privately; he routes all texts through the group family chat, which includes him, her, my sister and I, and my stepsisters.

Dad and stepmum have been married for 20-odd years. He left my mother for her (he was having an affair with her). I'm not particularly arsed about that tbh; mum also had affairs. I'd like to state upfront that I haven't put her into some "Evil Stepmother" trope; I'm happy that he's found someone. It's not the "stepmum" factor; it's specifically about HER, as an individual. We have wildly different values. She comes from Old Money and is, frankly, a massive snob. (My Dad came from nothing, for context, but made pretty good money by working his way up in a company, back when that was a possibility!)

This clash in values tends to be where our arguments stem from. This year, for example, at the annual Christmas get-together:

  • One of the dogs spilt my sister's drink over the table. It's this super-expensive, ornate, carved wooden table with a glass top. Stepmum FREAKED THE FUCK OUT, literally shrieking, talking about how they'd need to get it professionally cleaned etc etc. It was literally a bit of prosecco. My sister was mortified and left soon after.
  • My stepsister's fella (early 30s), an ordinary lower-middle-class bloke from Birmingham, mentioned that his mother isn't much of a wine drinker, she thinks Echo Falls is brilliant. To which, again, stepmother SHRIEKS with laughter. She's literally a millionnaire. Laughing at this ordinary working-class woman who doesn't know about wine. It made me feel physically sick. Bearing in mind, too, that my partner (50f) was also there, and she grew up in care, on the absolute bones of her arse; Echo Falls would've been a distant fucking DREAM.
  • My sister and I gave Dad and stepmum a hamper with loads of posh food in it for Xmas. I wrapped it in cellophane and ribbons and whatnot. I made a joke about how shit I am at wrapping things (context: I'm from South Wales, self-deprecation is endemic to our humour). She shrieks: "Oh I bet you relished the opportunity to skive off work for a bit to wrap it!" I work 60-hour weeks for a human rights organisation. She is an ex-doctor, and (endemic to the profession, in my experience!) therefore thinks she is better than everyone else. (This final comment was when I told her to pipe down, and she apologised, while shrieking.)

I just feel like whenever I'm at her (perfect show-home) house, I'm playing a bit-part in a fantasy M&S advert - with her at the centre. I never feel comfortable there, because if a drink gets spilled or you get too close to some expensive item of homeware, all hell breaks loose. Don't get me wrong: she cooks, she hosts, that's very generous of her. But it's The Stepmum Show, constantly. She takes over the conversation, she's not funny (unforgivably, imo!), she's just incredibly UP herself - and, as I said, a massive snob. The above is the tip of the iceberg, honestly. She literally thinks people who weren't born into inherited wealth are basically lazy and stupid.

She's always been a bit weird with me tbh. E.g. when I was about 20, we had a blazing row about something or other, and she apologised afterwards and told me straight-up that she is intimidated by my intelligence. I mean honestly, wtf?! Even if you FELT it, would you SAY it?! But she does seem majorly insecure, like she had a very good education but was essentially educated above her intelligence because her parents were rich; she seems very uncomfortably with the fact (which I LOVE) that intelligence is pretty equally distributed among the population, and you cannot fucking BUY it, however hard you try.

I'm ranting, sorry!

Everyone who's met her agrees that she's awful, a snob, and wtf is Dad doing with her - but Dad seems, or acts, oblivious. As I said, he's from a very working-class, South Wales background. He never sees his friends anymore, really; they obviously think she's a stuck-up bitch. He is also more or a less a functioning alcoholic at this point. Getting slowly sozzled on posh wine while she runs the Stepmum Show and offends everyone, seemingly obliviously.

One more example of what she's like: a few years back, she and my Dad went on a weekend away for his best mate's 60th. She took one of his childhood friends aside and said: "Do you mind not talking about your childhood memories this weekend? I don't really like hearing about times before [Dad] and I were together."

My sister is a peacekeeper, plus Dad and stepmum do a huge amount to help with their kids (she is not entirely evil - she is very generous in helping with the kids). So she is not one to rock the boat. She also lives very close to them, and he helps her out a lot, sees her a lot, etc. I only live about 20 miles away, mind, but he never comes up here (and when he does, it's always with stepmum).

I'm wondering wtf to do, tbh. I love my Dad and I know he loves me. More than that, we LIKE each other; we get along great. But she just takes over every single interaction and it's really getting on my tits and affecting my relationship with him.

I'm not stupid: I know I'm not gonna change her and he's not gonna leave her. So I'm trying to think what to do that wouldn't just be me ranting. I was thinking of maybe writing him an email (presuming she doesn't check his emails as well as answer his phone, but who knows, honestly). Just explaining how I feel. Especially, explaining that I'm not avoiding HIM (I'm really worried that he thinks I am), that the problem isn't HIM, it's HER (though the problem is also, let's face it, him being a bit fucking useless in a Man way). And just asking if we can spend time together without her. But I don't want to make his life more difficult for him, either. But an email could help because he wouldn't immediately FORGET it (which he has a tendency to do with phone calls, probably because of the whole high-functioning alcoholic thing), and he could read back over it, and tbh I'm better at communicating via writing than in person / on the phone anyway, and he could have some time to process it?

Is this just a losing battle, do I just need to get over it?!

Thanks so much in advance for any advice / shared stories / etc! <3

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LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 20:12

@Zemu That's a very wise comment, thank you! I'm sure you're right. I know nothing is going to change, so what is the point of rocking the boat, really?! I find it really, really difficult to be fake with people, and I really, really love my Dad and want a genuine - not fake - relationship with him. I want to be able to be honest with him and to spend time with him. But having a relationship with him seems to be predicated on NOT being honest with him, and biting my tongue all the time because she's always around spouting some Tory nonsense. And I guess I really struggle with that.

But I'm sure you're right.

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LadyTiredWinterBottom2 · 27/12/2024 20:12

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:55

@LadyTiredWinterBottom2 Ohhh sorry I misunderstood you! Mum thinks Dad is being utterly shit, needs to man up, needs to see my sister and I alone without stepmother, needs to stand up to his wife, needs to take his role as father more seriously, etc. Mum also has a partner of 20-odd years but we nearly always see each other without him there and have proper chats etc. She would never let a partner come between her relationship with her children, basically, and thinks Dad is being a prick for doing so.

Yes l agree, my ex is doing it to our dd.

Has he always been that way? It's very hard for you and your sister. You are now both adults though. Maybe it's worth trying to lean in to it rather than pull away. She may be doing it because she picks up she isn't fully accepted and could be pushed out.

Megapint · 27/12/2024 20:16

You sound a bit like a stroppy teenager looking to disagree with and find offense in everything she says. Fact is, your dad loves her, and she's not going anywhere. If you want to spend time with your dad you have to accept she is going to be there. What you do is behave like an adult and not bite at everything she says or does.

johnyhadasister · 27/12/2024 20:17

This will be just people posting about stories to vent. She had him through an affair. He is smitten and completely sold out to her two decades later, he cannot even muster some bravery to talk alone on the phone...no one can help here.

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 20:21

Wow this place is a veritable goldmine innit, thank you so much everyone!!! <3

@DaisyChain505 That's very good advice I think, thank you! I am from a family of very volatile, black/white people, so the whole "you can be gonest without it becoming WW3" thing might sounds obvious, but it actually isn't... thanks!!

@RandomMess Also a v good idea! Might ask if he wants to just go to the pub. Though last time we went to the pub we got in big trouble from her for getting drunk together..! Still - I like the "nope, it's just us" idea, thanks! Why explain it, really?! Yes, she goes away for weekends and all sorts with her kids, and Dad doesn't tag along!!

@DreamTheMoors My mum thinks stepmum is jealous of my relationship with my Dad, like the fact that we get on so well and have a really good laugh together (stepmum is not funny, not sure how he copes with that tbh because for all his MANY faults, he is a very good laugh + good company). She does seem jealous and weirdly competitive, I just don't understand that, when it comes to your partner's kids?!?!

@Mamasperspective I LOVE THIS COMMENT SO MUCH!!!!!! Ahhhaha thank you!! I might try that!! I did bite back with the "you wrapped this hamper to get out of working". I actually called her "babes" sarcastically by accident ("babes, I work 60-hours a week...") - whoops, ha. But yeah, rather than stewing, maybe I need to just call out her BS at the actual time!! Thank you for making me laugh!!

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LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 20:22

Also sorry for typos, my keyboard is fucked!!

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snowyglobe · 27/12/2024 20:22

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 27/12/2024 20:02

It's less painful to blame your stepmum than face the fact that your dad doesn't care enough about you to give you some 1:1 time.
Maybe it is time to be blunt with him.

Sorry, but this.

Someonelookedatmypostinghistorysoichanged · 27/12/2024 20:23

You are not coming across very well yourself.

snowyglobe · 27/12/2024 20:24

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 20:07

@Jeregrettebeaucoup Ooh maybe a whistlestop tour of the Valleys! She'd prob tag along while shrieking about how poor everyone is...

Lol sorry (miaow)!

I think the problem with the "do something with Dad that she wouldn't like" idea - while it's a v good idea, and I appreciate any and all suggestions! - is that me and Dad have absolutely nothing in common... We're very different people, he's very much a Man's Man really, into sports and stuff (I'm the black sheep of the family, quite booksy/artsy/politicsy). He would love it if he could help me out with something practical / manly / etc., but I have a butch lesbian girlfriend - don't need anything practical doing, you know?! So there are no shared interest to bond over; we just get along well. We could do a walk together, but she likes walking too (has all the best outdoor gear, obvs) and would be offended at not being invited...

He does go and watch my nephew play football every Sunday without her, maybe I could tag along to that (but I hate football lol) (but maybe that's ok)

Why can’t you compromise / suck it up and watch some sport with him for the sake of spending time together?

Bettergetthebunker · 27/12/2024 20:25

Echo Falls is so bad though

Spirallingdownwards · 27/12/2024 20:27

You don't like her so you find all these things annoying. If you liked her they either wouldn't bother you or indeed you would find them endearing. Asking your mother how to deal with the OW is never going to go well as you have found out.

I would just accept after 20 years your dad loves his wife and they chose to live and share things together in the way they want to.

XWKD · 27/12/2024 20:30

This need to let everyone know how sophisticated she is sounds like she's as common as muck, and is insecure about it.

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 20:31

Sorry idk what the usual etiquette is here, like whether to reply to every comment etc., but just to say that I am also reading and appreciating the negative comments. I probably am coming cross like a bit of a stroppy dickhead, because I'm venting and pissed off - obviously I am not like this with them in person! - apologies if that's annoying. I do think it's likely that I need to just suck it up and accept the situation. And I really can be very intolerant of people who I deem to be arseholes. It's not a trait I love in myself, but it's one that's hard to shift...

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Harkinonnowhear · 27/12/2024 20:33

She sounds draining but essentially it sounds like fleabag if youve ever watched it and it is not going to change.

I have very annoying family members I limit my exposure to cope so that is my best suggestion.

RandomMess · 27/12/2024 20:33

So she does go away with her DC without your Dad so you can "just is like you have Mum and X time without Dad".

Simples.

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 20:35

Hmm I wonder if there's something also about the fact that, parent or not, I honestly find it quite strange that someone would NEVER socialise without their partner?! I have one other friend who's like that, and I find that quite irritating, too. I mean I like her partner, it's just that I like to spend time with her alone sometimes, too - we are very old friends, her partner is quite new, etc. Just... does everyone have to be invited to every party?! I would never tag along every single time my partner hung out with her friends, and she wouldn't do that to me?! Is it a gay/straight thing, idk?! (Probably not, most lesbians are joined at the hip tbf...)

And I do worry about Dad in this regard, too, because over the years I've noticed him becoming just a bit fucking USELESS without her, honestly. Socially, I mean. I think this is a man thing, though?! Like outsource all your relationship/social needs to your woman, then get increasingly useless at humaning?! Why?!

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ItsCalledAConversation · 27/12/2024 20:37

You say your mum ‘absolutely despises my stepmother for "taking him away".’

So do you. So much that you fail to see how your beloved dad has instigated, enabled and is perfectly happily ensconced in this situation with you SM, regardless of how it makes you or your sister feel.

Id recommend counselling to unpick this. Your SM isn’t going to change. Sounds like you will need to.

Superhotpoet · 27/12/2024 20:42

You seem to have identified quite a few opportunities for time together yourself , your nephew’s football matches sound perfect and if you know in advance when your stepmother will be away with her daughters then you can keep your dad company very easily and naturally. Would your partner be on board with keeping an area of practical competence quiet and letting your dad come and do a few jobs for you?

WildFlowerBees · 27/12/2024 20:43

She might be your step mum but she's also a human albeit an irritating one. Instead of going through your dad have a conversation with her. Tell her that you'd like to have some time with your dad don't be mean about it but speak up for yourself. Doesn't matter who she is and it doesn't have to be nasty but I would make some time to speak with her personally about how you feel in her company.

SoundOfTheUnderground1 · 27/12/2024 20:45

Your dad is 100% to blame. You realize that he is perfectly capable of doing all the things you have asked for, he just doesn't want to.

From personal experience, I know this is hard to accept, but he doesn't love you in the same way that you love him

He's made it very clear, he loves her and will always put her needs before yours. I suspect he treated your mum the same way.

You see him as some sort of victim, you infantilize him because emotionally it's easier than holding him accountable for his shitty behavior towards you, when you clearly adore him.

I'm sorry

DelphiniumBlue · 27/12/2024 20:45

You've already asked your Dad for 1:1 time, and he's still not facilitating it. He could arrange to see you on the weekends she's off doing stuff with her family
( you said she does go away without him) but yet it's not happening.

You say you haven't got any interests in common, but that it might work getting him to come over and do some DIY for you, but ..{not quite clear why not, butch lesbian GF something to do with it?} The point is not for him to necessarily do urgent DIY but to spend time at yours, surely you can find something?

Anyway, neither of you seem prepared to do the actual arranging of an activity or event. Either you take the bull by the horns and start arranging specific events, or accept the fact that he is not going to be proactive on this and resign yourself to only seeing him with SM.
My dad died many years ago, but I never saw him without my SM until they split up a few months before he died, at which point I realised he was looking to me (21) to sort his life for him. So I do get that some men are not prepared to put themselves out to arrange stuff, and I do sympathise, but I am a bit cynical about your father's role in all this. He is aware that you want to see him alone and he still hasn't made this possible even though he could. If you want to change things, you'll have to do it yourself. Sorry.

Namechangenoidea · 27/12/2024 20:50

From the examples you’ve given I don’t think she’s done anything wrong.

I think you should try spending time one on one with her. Everyone has good and bad qualities and right now you are only seeing the bad. The more time you spend with her, developing a bond between you both I think would be beneficial in the long run to you and your fathers relationship. I know it sounds crazy but I honestly believe that’s the answer. Like she’s not going anywhere so wouldn’t it be great if you actually liked her.

Soontobe60 · 27/12/2024 20:58

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:29

@LadyTiredWinterBottom2 Mum thinks I should tell stepmum exactly what I think of her and be honest with Dad. I love my mother, but she is not one for subtlety, has painted their marriage as absolutely perfect in retrospect (all I remember is them fucking hating each other lol), and absolutely despises my stepmother for "taking him away". She also loves drama... so it's hard to talk to her about it and expect anywhere near a reasonable response tbh!

I’d put money on your SM knowing exactly what you think of her!
You sound like an inverted snob BTW. If your DF wanted to see you on your own do you not think he’d have made an effort?

andfinallyhereweare · 27/12/2024 20:59

@LoveIsAVerb I’m in a similar position although I see my dad a lot without her (no affair my mum passed away). The new partner says all sorts of mad/mean/weird things to all of us and relies on the fact that she thinks I won’t go straight to my dad and say hey so and so just said this- why? What does it mean? And that’s exactly what I do each time and it works as dad is then as outraged as I am… I think sometimes they say awful things on the hope they will get away with it. It’s a lot less frequent now she doesn’t get away with it. Most recent was Christmas Day, I went straight to my dad and he was horrified. Just call her out straight away, you’ve done nothing wrong.

Owly11 · 27/12/2024 20:59

You really don't like her, do you? Poor woman. I hope she stands up to you one day because I think that will help the situation enormously.

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