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Dd choosing friend over our outing together

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Whatsthepointhey · 22/12/2024 15:40

Dd is 6.
She’s not been well for a while, but started to get better in the last few weeks.
I arranged to go to a special Christmas show as a treat, booked the tickets, we read the book and she got a fancy new dress. I was really excited about this special mother/daughter outing as it’s something I’ve always wanted to go to and to take dd felt really special.
I started to get ready earlier and was asking her to get dressed, whilst I did my make up and would do her hair. She was running around saying she was playing etc. I then heard her calling to her friend over the back, who comes to stay with her auntie some weekends.
She came running upstairs saying how she didn’t want to go to the show, wanted to play with this friend and could she please play with her as she didn’t want to go to the show, she said sorry and pleaded.
What would you have done?

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Whatsthepointhey · 22/12/2024 17:44

woodlandwanders · 22/12/2024 17:23

PANS/ PANDAS is so uniquely horrible & traumatic, for lots of reasons - when I first read your post I thought of course id tell DD she was coming with me, until I saw that. With PANDAS, it's more about just whatever gets you both through the day. With my DD, PDA-type behaviours were a big part of it, so making her do anything would just equal a horrible day for everyone, and it would just spiral and spiral.

Solidarity & love - DD started exhibiting PANDAS symptoms on Boxing Day 2022 and though I don't think either of us will ever fully get over the trauma, I can't tell you how much better our lives are now.

You do whatever you need to to get you both through, people who haven't experienced it are unlikely to understand Flowers

Is she better now? How did she get better?

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GravyBoatWars · 22/12/2024 17:47

OP, I agree with a pp that the suspected PANS/PANDAS is extremely important here.

The general response here is correct if there was no background - tell her you can’t play now because you’re headed to the panto but we can play tomorrow. At that age children are largely focused on the fun thing immediately in front of them. They really struggle to weigh something that they know is fun right here and now (playing with this friend) against something that requires some waiting like going out to a show, especially when they can’t really picture what that delayed thing will be like. And they aren’t considering commitments for to others or things that have been paid for yet. As a parent I’d consider that choice above a 6 year-old’s level and make it for them.

But PANS/PANDAS changes this entirely and I’d feel far more uncertain about forcing the issue and how that can be done in a way that’s actually beneficial. Has your DD/family been able to start CBT or with psychiatric services?
I know that persistent avoiding behavior can be a problem after the initial illness and can take work to overcome but not much more beyond that.

katepilar · 22/12/2024 17:48

MyrtleStrumpet · 22/12/2024 16:23

She's 6. Yes, she's been ill but this is a treat now she's better. If she's too ill to go to the show, she's too ill to go and play with her friend.

Also she needs to learn about commitments and agreeing. Money was spent. She agreed to go. Plans have been made. Nice dress was bought etc. If she doesn't go to the show, then she doesn't get the dress. She doesn't get to pick and choose.

If you let her do this now, when you can literally pick her up and put her in a car, how are you going to react when she is 14 and you've spent thousands on a holiday and she refuses to get on a plane?

You are not her friend. You are her mum and you have to set the rules and the boundaries. She won't always like it but this is how you bring up children to understand that the world doesn't revolve around them.

Going to a show is so much more demanding then pottering around your own garden.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 22/12/2024 17:50

Who is the parent?

Whatsthepointhey · 22/12/2024 17:53

@katepilar Yes, maybe it’s too early to book these types of things. I was just disappointed I suppose and feel selfish now, I just wanted a bit of normality back

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ilovesushi · 22/12/2024 17:53

Don't know the history of her illness but if she has been housebound for a while she may feel uncertain about going out somewhere unfamiliar. Playing with a friend at her own house or next door may feel like a safe, fun thing to do in comparison. It may also feel like a legitimate reason to her for turning down the thing she is a bit worried about. Go big on your empathy, kindness and firmness and see where you go with it. No point making black or white decisions until you know the score. Hoping you get/ got your lovely trip out together. x

Whoarethoseguys · 22/12/2024 17:59

Take her to the show. You have bought tickets.
It's not unusual behaviour for a 6 year old to suddenly say she wants to stay and play with a friend instead if going out. She isn't choosing a friend over you, a 6 year old doesn't rationalise things like that.They think in the moment.
But that shouldn't make you change your plans. She will probably enjoy it when you are there

CountessWindyBottom · 22/12/2024 18:03

Whatsthepointhey · 22/12/2024 17:41

What is the relevance of some of these questions?

The relevance being that it is a uniquely oddly worded thread AND given your previous thread on your daughter, it would be helpful to know the context of her missing significant amounts of time at school.

Viviennemary · 22/12/2024 18:03

Sorry I don't understand the question.

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 22/12/2024 18:14

Children of that age often go for the bird in the hand so to speak. They can't weigh up something fun right now and something that might be even more fun later. I would've taken her to the
Show but if she's missed out on friends recently ,spoken to neighbour and arranged a playdate for tomorrow

Jennyathemall · 22/12/2024 18:15

I’m sorry, who’s the adult in the relationship?

poemsandwine · 22/12/2024 18:17

MiddleParking · 22/12/2024 15:45

Weird framing OP. She isn’t choosing her friend over you. She doesn’t choose.

Quite.

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 22/12/2024 18:18

Jumell · 22/12/2024 16:03

I’d have let her stay with the friend

I think independence in decision making is important for kids as they get older

And that's why society is going to hell in a handcart!!

"Independence in decision making" - she's fucking 6!!!

I would 100% make her go.

Are you sure she's actually feeling sick or has got used to using it to get her own way of things?

Jennyathemall · 22/12/2024 18:19

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 22/12/2024 18:18

And that's why society is going to hell in a handcart!!

"Independence in decision making" - she's fucking 6!!!

I would 100% make her go.

Are you sure she's actually feeling sick or has got used to using it to get her own way of things?

This.

MumblesParty · 22/12/2024 18:20

have you missed the show?

She’ll probably ask later when the show is, and will cry when you tell her she missed it.

Whatsitreallylike · 22/12/2024 18:20

Pandasnacks · 22/12/2024 15:42

Obviously you still take her to the show. 6 years olds are impulsive and want to do what’s in front of them, that’s one of many reasons why they don’t make all the decisions

100% this

Whatsthepointhey · 22/12/2024 18:23

CountessWindyBottom · 22/12/2024 18:03

The relevance being that it is a uniquely oddly worded thread AND given your previous thread on your daughter, it would be helpful to know the context of her missing significant amounts of time at school.

Excuse me???

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Whatsthepointhey · 22/12/2024 18:25

@CountessWindyBottom What are you on about?

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GivingitToGod · 22/12/2024 18:26

LimeYellow · 22/12/2024 15:43

It's not obvious which way to vote but definitely take her to the show!

Ditto

WhatNoRaisins · 22/12/2024 18:27

Does she have more complex health needs? We're you concerned about how she'd cope being taken out if she's had to miss school? I'm not familiar with the history here.

poemsandwine · 22/12/2024 18:27

I can't believe you stayed home. She's six, and you'd spent money. She'll be running circles around you in no time.

Grammarnut · 22/12/2024 18:28

Whatsthepointhey · 22/12/2024 15:57

Do you think this is normal child behaviour?

Yup.

midlifeattheoasis · 22/12/2024 18:29

Of course you go to the show. You teach your daughter you can't just change your plans if something better comes along.

Wonderi · 22/12/2024 18:36

Kids can struggle to think about the future.

If there is something happening now that’s fun, they will want to do that instead regardless of what else might be happening later on.

It’s like when kids don’t want to leave the park, even though they may be doing something just as fun afterwards but all they can think about is that moment.

Of course she’s going to want to see her friend.
But I would have told her that she’ll have to see her when she gets home or that you’ll arrange a play date at a later time because you already have plans.

I wouldn’t even consider not going to the event.

Eenameenadeeka · 22/12/2024 18:38

I would have made a time that suits for the friend to come and play- whether that was after you come back or tomorrow or next weekend or whatever - and taken her to the show.

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