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To think you can't go over the top at Christmas in these circumstances

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starlymarly · 21/12/2024 13:19

Some context first, DH and I have one DD, she's now 22 but when she was 18 she entered into a relationship with a man who was 16 years older we were not happy about this, she was on her gap year, she was a bright girl, AAAB at a-level, a place at uni waiting for her. It was the Covid year so she decided to wait and go to uni the next year and spend the year working.
Anyway she met this man, 16 years older. The relationship spiralled very quickly and within a couple of months DD was pregnant and insisting she would be keeping the baby and moving in with him. Soon after that she was going to be moving back to his home country with him which she did not long after our DGD was born.
We were walking a tightrope, we were devastated this is what our DDs life had become but equally keen not to be too loud as she was pushing us away more and more.
For the last 2 and a half years the relationship with our DD was nothing more than some text messages, pictures and a FaceTime once every 3/4 months. We'd make plans to visit, book flights and then something would come up and she couldn't possibly see us. It was heartbreaking and we knew something wasn't right but there wasn't much we could do. She always refused to give us an exact address of where she was staying and I knew if we pushed too hard she'd shut us off completely.
Anyway fast forward to last month. DD called me sobbing saying she was in a hotel with DGD and he'd booked flights back to the uk for her for not the next day but the day after that. He had been cheating and the relationship had been very abusive, this was the first time DD had said it out loud to us. He then basically told her he wanted her gone and not to see her again. He let her bring sentimental things (DGDs first shoes or picture albums etc.) and some clothes, but no toys and not enough clothes for anyone to live in.

We borrowed a car seat and picked DD and DGD up from the airport. This was all about 4 weeks ago now. We are in a position to help DD, we have a small 2 bed rental and the last tenants had just moved out, so we are redecorating it for DD now. We have gotten her therapy, DGD enrolled in nursery at a lovely local prep school and a place offered for reception next year which we will fund and we are helping DD with reapplying to uni.

Now the issue, between DD and I we have gone wild on DGD Christmas. She has more or less nothing here. We picked up some small bits which she plays with now but no big toys. I don't want to count how much I've spent as it must be crazy.
We've got a bike and scooter, dolls house and all the accessories, play kitchen and play food, baby doll, with pram/highchair etc. My sister who lives in America is bringing her an American Girl Doll over as a gift from her. We've bought Lottie Dolls and Disney Princess dolls, dressing up clothes, books, so many books and then little things like playdoh, puzzles and magnetic play sets.

DH thinks we've way over done it, left nothing for her to get in the future and set an expectation that Christmas will always be like this. I think in the awful circumstances and the fact she has nothing at all really means we can't over do it this year.
Obviously it will be a lot to open so we are just going to put the play food in the kitchen or the furniture in the dolls house so it's one item rather than 5/6.

But AIBU to say we can't over do it this year? Her birthday isn't for months so it makes more sense to ensure she has lots of toys to play with now.

OP posts:
starlymarly · 21/12/2024 14:08

@LindorDoubleChoc

DD wanted to visit us and to be visited! She was in a physically abusive controlling relationship with 0 autonomy or financial freedom. She was being told by her entire circle (basically his family and friends) how lucky she was to have a man who would take care of her so well. She once mentioned to his sister in law that she wanted to leave, she told her husband who told DD partner and it turned into one of the worst nights of her life and he told her if she left she would be an awful mother as she would be nothing without him!

My poor DD hasn't done anything wrong and we certainly aren't buying her love. We are being the safety net and support she needs to get over this.

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SilverDoe · 21/12/2024 14:08

Fuck that, I'd not be feeling guilty at all, the only thing is I probably would have gone mad on my DD, getting her loads of nice stuff for her and her house.

I'm so happy you have your DD and DGD back home and safe; your story is really moving ❤️

Remember that her reticence and evasiveness will be driven by him and her guilt and shame over the situation, make sure you never hold it against her and have a clean slate, I'm sure you know anyway 💐

HarrietHedgehog · 21/12/2024 14:09

From your OP it seems that DGD has now been bought everything a 4-year old from a middle-class family would normally have at her age. You and your DD must have enjoyed the shopping spree and I don’t blame you. Let her have the toys now and perhaps give her the dolls for Christmas. Next year, she’ll be able to let Santa know what she’d like. Be careful that your OH isn’t feeling left out and is being able to forge his own bond with his granddaughter.

Wellshellsbells · 21/12/2024 14:10

I would do the exact same in your situation! If you can afford it, do what ye like.its nobody else’s business.the very best of luck to your family! Happy Christmas!x

Cadburymonster · 21/12/2024 14:10

She deserves to be spoilt considering the circumstances. Just enjoy Christmas and don't overthink it.

WhoopsNow · 21/12/2024 14:11

DGC is only little. She won't remember how many presents she got. She'll only remember the magic. Although, it might not be as amazing as you think. My kids got bored after opening the first few present. We spread them out throughout the day instead. Otherwise the get a bit overwhelmed.

Yellowbananasarebetterthangreen · 21/12/2024 14:11

Your dd and her little one have had a tough time but yes you've gone waaaay OTT. Totally unnecessary. My brain thought OTT at the mention of prep school........... and then you mentioned the mountain of expensive gifts.

But I can see from your replies op that basically you wanted us all to agree with you that no you havent gone OTT. Why post if you only want people to agree?

Wonderingpigeon · 21/12/2024 14:12

Might be much for one day (my little one gets fidgety with too much at once) spread it over the period? Morning, evening, boxing and new years gift?

But I'm not going to say too much as given the circumstances I would do exactly the same..fresh start, new home, new year. I would be relieved, overjoyed etc that my child and granddaughter were home and safe. So I would go crazy with it, not overthink and just enjoy yourselves.

WhoopsNow · 21/12/2024 14:12

Has she applied for UC? It's worth applying so she has her own income until she gets a job or goes to uni.

starlymarly · 21/12/2024 14:12

HarrietHedgehog · 21/12/2024 14:09

From your OP it seems that DGD has now been bought everything a 4-year old from a middle-class family would normally have at her age. You and your DD must have enjoyed the shopping spree and I don’t blame you. Let her have the toys now and perhaps give her the dolls for Christmas. Next year, she’ll be able to let Santa know what she’d like. Be careful that your OH isn’t feeling left out and is being able to forge his own bond with his granddaughter.

I think you're probably right that DH feels a little pushed out, he still works a high pressure job (thank goodness I escaped that) so isn't around very much.
The only toy he is excited for DGD to get is the bike as DD was around the same age when she got her first bike and sometimes I still catch DH watching the video of him taking her out on it (bitterly cold morning). I think he's excited to relive that.

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Boffle · 21/12/2024 14:13

starlymarly · 21/12/2024 13:58

DD has picked all the toys, she never had any financial freedom with her ex so was never able to just buy her child toys, it was always his choice and his way.

I actually think it was the opposite of overdoing it that pushed DD away. When she was young DH and I both worked in high pressure city jobs, she'd be at breakfast club from 7.30 and not home until gone 6. As she got older it looked like other the other kids getting dropped off and picked up from sports practice and the other parents asking how it went and DD having to ask herself as we just weren't there.
I think when a man who wanted to look after her and show her lots of attention came along she lost perspective and fell for the tricks.

Spoil away. Very few parents would admit to having got it wrong. Money isn't everything and your DD missed out on your time. You are making up for this now and my goodness in your shoes I would do the same.
GDG is young enough not to remember too much and you can dial it back for birthdays and future Christmases.

TheignT · 21/12/2024 14:13

It's a special time so enjoy it. It won't affect future years as she is so little and won't remember exactly what happens this year. I think things like putting the books in her room and opening things in sets is good, you could also have some on Christmas Eve.

Don't be upset if she doesn't open them all on Christmas day. I well remember when my first child was 2, such excitement as he was old enough to open his presents. Auntie sent him a tin of chocolate biscuits which he walked round with all day and wasn't interested in anything else. Sad mummy but he opened them over the next few days when he'd eaten all the biscuits.

Have a wonderful Christmas.

Shakeyourbaublesandsmile · 21/12/2024 14:13

I understand why you have - to provide and make up in this way after difficult circumstances but it’s too much for any child to engage with - put some away and enjoy each type of toy/play times over the months to come - you all have so much to look forward to.

But most of all I hope your DD recovers from her experience. It’s great you’ve been able to step in and support them both.

Floralnomad · 21/12/2024 14:14

Give them whatever you can comfortably afford , your granddaughter is very small and will not remember next year how many presents she got this year , so next year is when you rein it in a bit . I hope you all have a very merry Christmas . Btw , just in case make sure that your daughter hides her daughter’s passport .

CocoPlum · 21/12/2024 14:15

You can definitely go over the top. When my DD was 4 we spent Christmas day at my PILs and they went way overboard (and nowhere near as much as you have). It was too much, DD was overwhelmed and literally abandoned all the toys to go to another room and look at old books that she read every time we were there.

You sound incredibly generous and kind and I'm glad your DD and DGD are safe and back with you, but I think you're giving her way too much all at once.

Narkacist · 21/12/2024 14:16

It sounds appropriate in the circumstances. You can just follow her lead on the day and open the things as slowly as she wants to.
The only constancy in her life right now is change so probably she’s unlikely to expect next Christmas to be the same

Lavenderfarmcottage · 21/12/2024 14:16

I think it’s fine to setup her room with most of it. In a way I think this is better because it makes her new home and room feel more hers and settled and happy.

I think it will be overwhelming to open this many gifts at Christmas.

TheEllisGreyMethod · 21/12/2024 14:18

Christmas when I was 4 was very similar, one of my earliest memories was walking into the living room and there were all these toys set up for me!! I couldn't believe it. No other Christmas was like it and that's fine. We were living with my DGPs after my mum left an abusive relationship with nothing. I felt so safe and loved that day that I still remember it. I think you're doing all the right things and I'm still incredibly close with my grandparents despite the early years of not seeing them.

Poppinjay · 21/12/2024 14:18

@starlymarly
I know a little of what you went through as my DD1 entered a similar relationship in which her abuser tried to sabotage her university place and isolate her from us.

I was beside myself and felt utterly helpless as she was an adult who was enttield to make her own decisions. I count myself lucky that, with support, my DD felt able to end the relationship after a few months, but not before experiencing a range of horrific abuse.

I remember the first Christmas after the relationship ended feeling absolutely amazing. You have had a much tougher time and I can only imagine the hell you've been through. I wish you every happiness now you have her back.

Ignore the posters who don't understand coercive control and who think children are turned into spoiled brats by having too many toys.

Your DGD is too young to establish expectations for next Christmas based on this one. Enjoy showering her and your DD with love and gifts and building a wonderful future for them both.

Please think about getting your DD on the Freedom Programme. It worries me that she could be open to re-establishing contact with her abuser. She must never allow him back into her life if she possibly help it and she must never, ever allow her child to go to his home country. Make sure her passport is somewhere very safe.

I hope your DD feels able to go to university at some point and gets her life back on track with the love and support of you all.

PrincessScarlett · 21/12/2024 14:19

I agree with your DH. You have gone way over the top. But I understand why you would. Just be careful that your GD doesn't get too overwhelmed. At that age it's quite common for children not to want to open more than one or two presents. And if she's come from an abusive home where she's been denied things she might find it all very confusing and strange being faced with a mountain of presents.

Also make sure your DD has the support she needs, her spending spree with your money might be masking a lot of trauma that needs dealing with professionally.

Happiestwhen · 21/12/2024 14:22

You are an amazing person and your dd and dgd are very lucky to have you. So glad they got away from her awful father to be near you. Ypur poor dgd has nothing, it's nice to spoil her this once. I'm sure you are very relieved to have them nearby safely. Have a lovely Christmas and never mind the grinch (dh) lol

mumtotwo11 · 21/12/2024 14:22

I think it's lovely that you can help your dd and dgd out as you are able to and as they are having to pretty much start from scratch it's great you can buy her what she needs.

I do agree that all the stuff in one go might be a lot for dgd.

Perhaps some of the gifts are "Santa gifts" in the morning.

Perhaps the bike from you and DH (let him gift it maybe?

A few more gifts on Boxing Day?

Hold the scooter back til Easter?

And some stuff can just appear in her new bedroom x

CorsicaDreaming · 21/12/2024 14:23

TheignT · 21/12/2024 14:13

It's a special time so enjoy it. It won't affect future years as she is so little and won't remember exactly what happens this year. I think things like putting the books in her room and opening things in sets is good, you could also have some on Christmas Eve.

Don't be upset if she doesn't open them all on Christmas day. I well remember when my first child was 2, such excitement as he was old enough to open his presents. Auntie sent him a tin of chocolate biscuits which he walked round with all day and wasn't interested in anything else. Sad mummy but he opened them over the next few days when he'd eaten all the biscuits.

Have a wonderful Christmas.

Love this! The joy of a tin of chocolate biscuits ALL TO YOURSELF! Grin

I remember mine getting utterly absorbed in present two - and the rest was still not opened by end of Christmas day!

yehisaidit · 21/12/2024 14:24

@starlymarly

OP I think you sound absolutely lovely. Your DD and DGD are both incredibly lucky to have you and your DH taking care of them while they navigate this whole new life.

I also fully understand why you've gone wild this Christmas. Equally I understand where your DH is coming from.

From what you've said, DGD is a toddler? I don't think you'll be setting expectations at all at the moment.

Spread the gifts out over the few days and let your DD and DGD enjoy this Christmas.

You can start setting expectations on January 1st but if I were in your shoes I'd be doing the exact same thing.

Gentle explain to your DH that she's only little, she won't expect the whole gazillion presents this time next year because she'll be more settled and she'll have you all. It'll be ok.

Wishing you all a wonderful Christmas and your DD and DGD all the best in their new life x

Moonlightdust · 21/12/2024 14:24

Presents aside, I am really happy for your DD and DGD OP. They are so fortunate to have escaped from overseas and be out of that situation. I hope you all enjoy a wonderful Christmas together x

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