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To think you can't go over the top at Christmas in these circumstances

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starlymarly · 21/12/2024 13:19

Some context first, DH and I have one DD, she's now 22 but when she was 18 she entered into a relationship with a man who was 16 years older we were not happy about this, she was on her gap year, she was a bright girl, AAAB at a-level, a place at uni waiting for her. It was the Covid year so she decided to wait and go to uni the next year and spend the year working.
Anyway she met this man, 16 years older. The relationship spiralled very quickly and within a couple of months DD was pregnant and insisting she would be keeping the baby and moving in with him. Soon after that she was going to be moving back to his home country with him which she did not long after our DGD was born.
We were walking a tightrope, we were devastated this is what our DDs life had become but equally keen not to be too loud as she was pushing us away more and more.
For the last 2 and a half years the relationship with our DD was nothing more than some text messages, pictures and a FaceTime once every 3/4 months. We'd make plans to visit, book flights and then something would come up and she couldn't possibly see us. It was heartbreaking and we knew something wasn't right but there wasn't much we could do. She always refused to give us an exact address of where she was staying and I knew if we pushed too hard she'd shut us off completely.
Anyway fast forward to last month. DD called me sobbing saying she was in a hotel with DGD and he'd booked flights back to the uk for her for not the next day but the day after that. He had been cheating and the relationship had been very abusive, this was the first time DD had said it out loud to us. He then basically told her he wanted her gone and not to see her again. He let her bring sentimental things (DGDs first shoes or picture albums etc.) and some clothes, but no toys and not enough clothes for anyone to live in.

We borrowed a car seat and picked DD and DGD up from the airport. This was all about 4 weeks ago now. We are in a position to help DD, we have a small 2 bed rental and the last tenants had just moved out, so we are redecorating it for DD now. We have gotten her therapy, DGD enrolled in nursery at a lovely local prep school and a place offered for reception next year which we will fund and we are helping DD with reapplying to uni.

Now the issue, between DD and I we have gone wild on DGD Christmas. She has more or less nothing here. We picked up some small bits which she plays with now but no big toys. I don't want to count how much I've spent as it must be crazy.
We've got a bike and scooter, dolls house and all the accessories, play kitchen and play food, baby doll, with pram/highchair etc. My sister who lives in America is bringing her an American Girl Doll over as a gift from her. We've bought Lottie Dolls and Disney Princess dolls, dressing up clothes, books, so many books and then little things like playdoh, puzzles and magnetic play sets.

DH thinks we've way over done it, left nothing for her to get in the future and set an expectation that Christmas will always be like this. I think in the awful circumstances and the fact she has nothing at all really means we can't over do it this year.
Obviously it will be a lot to open so we are just going to put the play food in the kitchen or the furniture in the dolls house so it's one item rather than 5/6.

But AIBU to say we can't over do it this year? Her birthday isn't for months so it makes more sense to ensure she has lots of toys to play with now.

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YesIReallyDoLikeRootBeer · 21/12/2024 17:24

I totally understand why you and your DD went overboard. I've been in that position (not abuse, but going from nothing to having money). In 2011 my family ended up homeless and living in a shelter for homeless families (I'm in USA). At the same time this was all happening my father was dying. After he passed I received a substantial inheritance. I was able to buy a house and get my family out of the shelter. At the time we became homeless my son lost almost everything he had. After a year that included becoming homeless, losing almost all he had, losing his grandfather and then us finding a home but him having to move away from the only city he ever lived in and his school and friends I felt he deserved some spoiling. He was 8 years old at the time. We moved into our house the end of Nov. When I look back at pictures from that 2011 Christmas I realize it was A LOT lol. But he, like your DGD had very few toys or clothes when moved in a month before Christmas. We did tell him that Santa understood that he had a hard year and didnt have many toys at our new home so wanted to give him extra that year. He never in the future expected a huge haul like that first year. He is now 21 and having that one over the top spoiled like crazy Christmas did not do him any harm or turn him into a spoiled brat. Hugs to you Grandma

starlymarly · 21/12/2024 17:29

We have just counted

Moving everything around like I said in previous post she will have 15 presents to open through Christmas Day,

Baby Annabell Doll
Highchair
Pram
Changing bag (which we will put the clothes in)
Frozen Doll
Disney Doll set
Elsa Costume
Fairy Costume
Doctor Costume
Cinderella costume
Then the 5 Lottie dolls (which can be wrapped together if I can find a box big enough)

On Christmas Eve she can open the puzzles, magnatiles and playdoh

Boxing Day American girl doll

Dollhouse we will just sit out with a bow and all the pieces in

Books we will just put on the shelf in her new room

Play kitchen in the new house

15 gifts really doesn't seem that over the top to me!

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rainbowunicorn · 21/12/2024 17:31

Bumblebeestiltskin · 21/12/2024 16:33

If you're going to be financially supporting her, which is absolutely your right, why not put money into an account you DON'T have access to?

She's an adult, and a parent, she's not child. Let her live her life, deal with her own finances (even of it's money you gave her), have relationships with who she wants to,and make her own mistakes. Without having to worry about what mummy and daddy are going to think when they access her bank account or look at their credit card statements.

Where are you seeing that.the OP has access to her daughters account? OP literally says that they put a lump sum into DDs account which they have no access to.
They have named her on their credit card presumably as she won't be able to get credit straight away with no source of income seeing as she only arrived back in the UK 4 weeks ago.

MissyB1 · 21/12/2024 17:32

It's not 15 though is it? I make it at least 18, and "one" of those presents is actually 5 dolls! Even 15 would be overwhelming.

littlemissprosseco · 21/12/2024 17:34

That’s a ridiculous amount, a little girl would be happy with three or four.

starlymarly · 21/12/2024 17:34

MissyB1 · 21/12/2024 17:32

It's not 15 though is it? I make it at least 18, and "one" of those presents is actually 5 dolls! Even 15 would be overwhelming.

the 15 counts 5 individually, if you add the bike and dolls house its 17.

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starlymarly · 21/12/2024 17:37

littlemissprosseco · 21/12/2024 17:34

That’s a ridiculous amount, a little girl would be happy with three or four.

I think what is upsetting DD is she did have lots of toys and play kitchen and dolls house and balance bike and scooter and DGD does miss it. She often says she misses certain toys. This is replacing what she had not all new.

The only toys she brought with her were her favourite teddy bear and a few others. She wanted to get more but her ex wouldn't let her.

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Bumblebeestiltskin · 21/12/2024 17:39

rainbowunicorn · 21/12/2024 17:31

Where are you seeing that.the OP has access to her daughters account? OP literally says that they put a lump sum into DDs account which they have no access to.
They have named her on their credit card presumably as she won't be able to get credit straight away with no source of income seeing as she only arrived back in the UK 4 weeks ago.

Yep, I totally got the wrong end of the stick 🙈

Combattingthemoaners · 21/12/2024 17:40

Redshoeblueshoe · 21/12/2024 13:22

I don't know why you are posting, as you have already done it.

I don’t know why you bothered posting a response just to be rude.

StScholastica · 21/12/2024 17:40

Oh OP, your joy is palpable.
I agree you've gone overboard but you are amazing people to welcome back your DD with such open arms.
I think moving forward to should have a frank conversation with DD to make sure that she works on her self esteem and stays well clear of such men in the future.
Happy Christmas to you all.

Winterjoy · 21/12/2024 17:49

Haven't rtft but based on only your OP the red flags are waving that your daughter has stepped away from a controlling relationship with her ex-partner and into an overbearing relationship with her parents. Has she made any major decisions for herself since arriving back? By all means provide support in the background but the only way she is going to build up her own confidence and self esteem is to tackle life's challenges herself (e.g. setting up her living space, managing her own finances, arranging her child's activities).

If she has been in an abusive relationship since teenage/formative years she has catching up to do in terms of finding herself and developing her own mechanisms - while it might feel helpful to do everything for her because you've missed her and want to dive back into a relationship, doing everything instead of encouraging her to stand on her own two feet will be detrimental in the long run.

peachesarenom · 21/12/2024 17:49

I think it's fine but definitely don't do it every year!!!!

I'm so happy they're in a happy place now. When I started reading the OP I was thinking 'This is my worst nightmare!'

RoachFish · 21/12/2024 17:55

starlymarly · 21/12/2024 17:37

I think what is upsetting DD is she did have lots of toys and play kitchen and dolls house and balance bike and scooter and DGD does miss it. She often says she misses certain toys. This is replacing what she had not all new.

The only toys she brought with her were her favourite teddy bear and a few others. She wanted to get more but her ex wouldn't let her.

I get that you are replacing what she had but can’t you see that the way you are doing it is going to be way too much for a traumatised 3 year old? She will open doll, after doll, after doll, after doll, after dress, after dress, after dress etc.

Just hang the dresses in her wardrobe in her new home and put 5 of the dolls there too. It’s too much pressure the way you are doing this and it’s only for your benefit, definitely not the child’s.

Happyhappyday · 21/12/2024 17:56

starlymarly · 21/12/2024 15:08

This is a good point, but with every purchase we've considered where it will live in the new house (such as the kitchen has space at the end for a table and room for the play kitchen, dolls house will live under the window, dolls pram can live in the shed when not being used then come out when she wants it). We've just finished DGD new bedroom and fitted two wardrobes, one has a low rail and some shelves which will be perfect to hang costumes and to sit a basket on to throw other costumes in etc.

Agree with this poster, it’s just too much for that age and she won’t really end up playing deeply with any of it. We used to hide the majority of DC’s toys at that age (and still hide some now) and then rotate. More toys makes it hard for them to focus.

You absolutely are compensating for your own lack of presence in your daughter’s childhood and your DGC’s tough start. Even doing all the big days out - my DC at that age loved baking with me or pulling up weeds with my mum and really didn’t need all of that crap.

Cakeandusername · 21/12/2024 17:57

It sounds overwhelming for a traumatised little girl taken away from everything she knows. I’d have kept it low key. A few gifts and books.

starlymarly · 21/12/2024 18:12

It's all set in stone now and DD has led how she wants to do this.

But do people really think 15 presents to open is too much?

I swear when DD was little that was about the norm among our friends and DD? Has this changed? Or is this a Mumsnet only thing?

Growing up DD always got about 5/6 things from Father Christmas then maybe 10-12 more from us, Then stocking, gifts from aunts and friends etc.

Her friends were all very similar.

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aodirjjd · 21/12/2024 18:13

I’m not sure why you posted for advice you don’t want to hear? I don’t know how you could return any of it without upsetting your daughter.

id return all those dolls except one. It’s absolutely loads of them what child needs more than one or two?

starlymarly · 21/12/2024 18:16

aodirjjd · 21/12/2024 18:13

I’m not sure why you posted for advice you don’t want to hear? I don’t know how you could return any of it without upsetting your daughter.

id return all those dolls except one. It’s absolutely loads of them what child needs more than one or two?

If you read we've taken a lot of the advice on board (opening some Christmas Eve, not wrapping everything, kitchen and books straight to the new house).

DD says DGD had lots of fashion dolls in Qatar and used to love playing with all of them.

Like I said most of this is replacing and DD knows what her DD did and didn't play with.

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DreamW3aver · 21/12/2024 18:20

RoachFish · 21/12/2024 17:55

I get that you are replacing what she had but can’t you see that the way you are doing it is going to be way too much for a traumatised 3 year old? She will open doll, after doll, after doll, after doll, after dress, after dress, after dress etc.

Just hang the dresses in her wardrobe in her new home and put 5 of the dolls there too. It’s too much pressure the way you are doing this and it’s only for your benefit, definitely not the child’s.

I have to agree, the poor thing is going through a huge transition and all that stuff will just be too much, Im overwhelmed just reading the list

The whole situation is just so lavish

ChanelBoucle · 21/12/2024 18:22

I’ve got sensory overload just reading that list. 🤯

littlemissprosseco · 21/12/2024 18:30

starlymarly · 21/12/2024 17:37

I think what is upsetting DD is she did have lots of toys and play kitchen and dolls house and balance bike and scooter and DGD does miss it. She often says she misses certain toys. This is replacing what she had not all new.

The only toys she brought with her were her favourite teddy bear and a few others. She wanted to get more but her ex wouldn't let her.

The problem you have, is you’ll have to maintain this lifestyle. She’s a child she’ll adapt

starlymarly · 21/12/2024 18:31

@littlemissprosseco

We are in a position where we can and will continue to be able to get our grandchild all the toys that most children have who haven't been through trauma for as long as DD wants and needs our support.

This is not a financial issue at all.

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GnusSitOnCanoes · 21/12/2024 18:34

@starlymarly I hope your DD and DGD have a wonderful Christmas. I do think you should get legal advice, however. The UAE is not a signatory to The Hague Convention but UK judges have ruled that British children be returned to the UAE for custody rulings, because they deem the UAE to be their place of habitual residence. I’m assuming the same could happen with Qatar, if your DD’s ex decided to pursue custody. If your DGD went back to Qatar for any reason, and her father is Qatari, it would be nigh impossible for you to get her out. I don’t want to worry you, but I would get legal advice just to understand how you can safeguard your position.

littlemissprosseco · 21/12/2024 18:35

starlymarly · 21/12/2024 18:31

@littlemissprosseco

We are in a position where we can and will continue to be able to get our grandchild all the toys that most children have who haven't been through trauma for as long as DD wants and needs our support.

This is not a financial issue at all.

Then do, but ultimately life is about bringing independence and individual fulfilment

starlymarly · 21/12/2024 18:37

GnusSitOnCanoes · 21/12/2024 18:34

@starlymarly I hope your DD and DGD have a wonderful Christmas. I do think you should get legal advice, however. The UAE is not a signatory to The Hague Convention but UK judges have ruled that British children be returned to the UAE for custody rulings, because they deem the UAE to be their place of habitual residence. I’m assuming the same could happen with Qatar, if your DD’s ex decided to pursue custody. If your DGD went back to Qatar for any reason, and her father is Qatari, it would be nigh impossible for you to get her out. I don’t want to worry you, but I would get legal advice just to understand how you can safeguard your position.

We are getting legal advice anyway as they were married in Qatar (though DD absolutely refuses to call him her husband or ex husband).

Her ex filed for divorce and as it's mutually agreed it seems to be pretty simple (we are paying for a lawyer in Qatar to represent DD so she doesn't have to return).

In all the custody conversations between the lawyer and him he has said he has no interest in seeing the child again and doesn't want custody.

But this is still fresh so we are definitely keeping everything in mind and DD has no plans to return to Qatar now or ever.

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