To be so disturbed by the male race currently

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All the business with Lily Philips - how many men queued up to do what they did to her

And Gisele Pelicot

Are men really that obsessed with sex that they are so desperate to rape and queue up and be solely concerned with their own depraved satisfaction.

I know it's not all men but I'm feeling so disillusioned with men in general and it seems to be getting worse and not better.

Does anyone else feel like this? Also the only people I see posting about Gisele are female.

Where are all the men??

I'm raising boys and to be honest it's terrifying to look at my innocent children and the world they are growing up in.

I do feel sorry for her because no woman who has self respect, self worth or feel any value would behave like that.
like someone said she’s self harming and has all the hallmarks of something going very wrong in her childhood

@ACynicalDad

The Gisele case is alarming, but reflecting that on 4 billion people seems excessive.

I think the fact that dozens of men in a very small area wanted to have sex with a drugged, unconscious woman is what has made many of us reconsider just how many 'good' men there are and now many are a danger to women.

I have lots of nice men in my life who I love and respect. But that case, in a very ordinary town, shows just how many men in the general population are willing to at best not report a man seeking other men to rape his unconscious wife (nobody reported it) and at worst willing to actually go ahead and do that.

There's nothing extraordinary about the area this happened in. It's revealed a stark reality - that there are many more predators around than we perhaps think. And they walk among us blending into the general population.

This is truly scary.

YANBU I feel the same way!
But YABU to put Lily Philips and Gisele Pelicot in the same post. Two completely different situations! Lily Philips actually came up with the idea and invited men to join. I still can't believe they queued up and didn't find it revolting, but it's totally different ti what happened to Gisele Pelicot and countless other women who remain in the shadows abused and raped by vile men.

Sexual intercourse and orgasms are, by design, highly pleasurable. I don’t understand why that statement is controversial.

I assume you're not female. Having 100 cocks shoved into your vagina over twelve hours would be agony and the absolute opposite of pleasurable.

Thinking otherwise is a very male fantasy.

I dont think all sex is highly pleasurable for women. And it certainly doesn't always lead to an orgasm.

I think a lot of women don't really understand why/how a man can find it highly pleasurable and reach an orgasm when the other person isn't finding highly pleasurable but is just 'allowing it" for money. (Or actually unaware or actively hating it in rape)

This!

Im sick people going on like Lily was a victim. It was her show, she was the boss, she asked all these men to come and do this. And she will be making all the money.
You cannnot compare it to a rape case ffs

Oh, @MemorableTrenchcoat , don't be so bloody obtuse.

Do you think Lily enjoyed it? Did she have 100 orgasms??

Or do you only think that men's sexual pleasure is important?? 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Troll.

I agree OP.

I haven't seen the Lilly documentary but have read a write up that stated each man had a 5 min limit and some would not stop at that - even when told to stop, they would not. That she says she blanked her mind out after the first 5 men to not have to deal with what was happening. That she cries when recalling it. Tell me again how both parties were "consenting" to this "highly enjoyable" activity.

I am sure there was a porn actress in the 90s (maybe Asian/American) who tried to break the record for most men in a day and I saw some of the documentary on that at the time. It stands out in my mind because of how fucking damaged she was afterwards. Mentally, emotionally, physically. It's was desperately upsetting. And grim. Like, unhygenically grim. I could not have a lower opinion of the men stood queing, tugging at themselves while they waiting their 'turn'.

What happened to Gisele may be an extreme example (though seems it was not so extreme to prevent some of the men taking tips on how to do the same to their wives) but it was an extreme example that involved a lot of men from a relatively small geographical area. It's not such a leap to think that same number of men exist in other areas that are equally willing to rape someone they think cannot report them.

The two cases are completely different. One was a woman who was drugged and raped by dozens of men over many years. The other was a woman who makes her money engaging in sexual acts and creating pornography. To believe the two are remotely similar is quite offensive.

You may ask, as people have, whether someone who consents to sleeping with a hundred men in quick succession is of sound mind. But equally you have to question whether the hundred men are of sound mind either. If the woman is a victim then so are the men - provided "sane" people of either sex wouldn't participate in this. My view is that both the woman and the men were exploiting one another, the woman for views/money/exposure and the men for a quick sexual encounter. If either side is guilty, they both are.

That's exactly my point. She did it for the money. I can guarantee it wasn't a highly pleasurable experience for her, and yet the men didn't give a shit. I find that revolting. You'd be happy to stick your dick in someone, even if they weren't actively enjoying it? That says A LOT.

And I find it astonishing that people can wave away the utter grossness of it all because she's making a fortune. That's just a willful blindness to the fact that she (and the vast majority of sex workers) are damaged individuals. Highly likely to have been previously abused, even if they claim a "happy childhood".

Same.
Giselle was drugged unconscious by her husband and gang raped for years without her knowledge or consent.

Lily dropped out of University to pursue an ambition to become famous for extreme sex work. She says it’s her career.

There is no doubt that both have been harmed, but they aren’t at all similar in any respect.

I imagine 90% of porn doesnt involve please. It is a job.

This was her idea. She is now talking about 1000 men

Just because you don't agree with what Lily Philips did or understand why she did it, doesn't make it wrong.

It's certainly not illegal so conflating it with the Gisele Picot case doesn't make sense.

I’m not male. I was referring to it being pleasurable for the men, which was why they were motivated to participate, however depraved it might seem. Lily was obviously doing it for money, and nothing else.

I think it's actually pretty relevant.

Obviously all the men who raped Gisèle Pelicot are abhorrent.

But I also think that the men who queued up to have sex with Lily are abhorrent too.

Each man did ‘do something’ to her, and the cumulative effect was highly likely to cause her physical harm. There were obvious questions about her mental health too.

Good point actually. I enjoyed the call the midwife TV series so I thought it would be a good idea to read the books. Only read the first one which outined some extremely depraved behaviour . It really affected me. Think Gisele Pelicot but 100x worse if you've not read it.

I think the two examples are different.
One is rape, it was horrific, non consensual and a crime against someone who he should have been there to love and protect.
Lily Philips highlights the danger of the internet. It shows how far SOME men (101!) will go for a shag and how far some women are prepared to go for infamy.
Im horrified by what happened to Gisele Pelicot and in awe of her bravery and poise during her ordeal.
Call me a prude but I am disgusted by all involved in the ‘challenge’ with LP.
It was cheap, seedy and dangerous. Sex can be wonderful but what are we teaching our children by not calling this what it is? For not clearly stating that this is cheapening women, sex and promoting objectification.
Moreover, why is this clearly vulnerable woman being allowed to do this? And why are men so keen to be involved.
I absolutely do judge all then men - they are vile. Frankly, I think it’s disturbing and I think it is exacerbating issues around consent.

I am more surprised at the naivety of a lot of women re men.

There was a survey of 86 anonymous male undergraduates in which 32% admitted they would use force to obtain sex so long as there were no consequences to them. Tellingly, when asked if they would rape, ‘only’ 14% said they would - so it seems these men did not consider forced/pressurised sex and rape to be the same thing at all. The survey was reported in the journal Violence and Gender

You are delusional. I’m sure you’d love to be compared to Lily Phillips if you had been raped.

I can’t get over the courage of Gisele Pelicot has been allowing her trial to be public, the utter heroism.

I am starting to give up on men, I do not hear of many nice ones.

Why you would want to take part in a mass sex sevent that would render a woman psychologically impacted and stigmatised by society, is beyond me. You’d basically be taking part in her mental & social downfall.

I think many of these women don’t have the imagination to see the consequence of what they’re doing. I don’t think it’s a lack of intelligence at all, it’s actually as if they’re under some sort of spell.

If you look at Bonnie Blue’s interview with her mother she’d just glazed over.

A catholic might say it’s as if they’re under spiritual warfare and how soul destroying this work is.

A non catholic might say that it’s like the sex industry is a systemic cult. It almost grooms them with money, validation and the enthusiasm of men and viewers wanting more and more. For women in a very low place this is addictive, it’s a dopamine hit and fills an emptiness or a need for validation.

Totally and utterly different, whatever you might guess at LPs mental state, she is an adult and willingly consented & the men knew she was consenting to have sex with them.

Poor Gisele gave no such consent and yes all men can be rapists, you only have to see what happens in war to see that.

I'm really struggling to see how you can possibly compare the two scenarios.

How GP can come to terms with what happened to her and the betrayal of the man she once loved is beyond me, such a strong woman.

I don’t have a dick. Lily didn’t give a shit about whether it was pleasurable, that’s not why she did it. The men were somewhat gross and Lily is an exceptionally well-paid sex worker, who chose this peculiar and gruelling approach. Both things can be true.