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To be so disturbed by the male race currently

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honeypotter · 20/12/2024 13:58

All the business with Lily Philips - how many men queued up to do what they did to her

And Gisele Pelicot

Are men really that obsessed with sex that they are so desperate to rape and queue up and be solely concerned with their own depraved satisfaction.

I know it's not all men but I'm feeling so disillusioned with men in general and it seems to be getting worse and not better.

Does anyone else feel like this? Also the only people I see posting about Gisele are female.

Where are all the men??

I'm raising boys and to be honest it's terrifying to look at my innocent children and the world they are growing up in.

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rocky5001 · 30/12/2024 14:19

So many comments here are missing the point of the original post. The comparison isn’t about consent, it’s about the society we have, as a whole, that allows for - actively encourages - the debasement of women by men. The two situations are part of a wider culture that breeds these extremes: on the one hand, we have men who see women as existing for their pleasure to the point they see it as, on some level, acceptable to rape an unconscious woman. On the other, we have allowed an environment that created a woman who thinks so little of her own body, and by extension her mental and emotional health, that she sees purpose in allowing 100 men to sleep with her. And people are arguing this is somehow about ‘empowerment’ or ‘freedom’ when they’re conflating the fact that a person can do something with the idea that they should.

Unless I've missed something, I don't think a single person here has said that Lily "should" have done what she did.

For my part (since I mentioned empowerment) I certainly didn't mean that I consider such acts empowering, or that I would find them empowering to do myself. My point was simply that the decision about what Lily Phillips considers empowering, or how she chooses to exercise her freedom, belongs to Lily Phillips alone. Not to me, you or anyone else.

nopalaver · 02/01/2025 13:14

rocky5001 · 30/12/2024 14:19

So many comments here are missing the point of the original post. The comparison isn’t about consent, it’s about the society we have, as a whole, that allows for - actively encourages - the debasement of women by men. The two situations are part of a wider culture that breeds these extremes: on the one hand, we have men who see women as existing for their pleasure to the point they see it as, on some level, acceptable to rape an unconscious woman. On the other, we have allowed an environment that created a woman who thinks so little of her own body, and by extension her mental and emotional health, that she sees purpose in allowing 100 men to sleep with her. And people are arguing this is somehow about ‘empowerment’ or ‘freedom’ when they’re conflating the fact that a person can do something with the idea that they should.

Unless I've missed something, I don't think a single person here has said that Lily "should" have done what she did.

For my part (since I mentioned empowerment) I certainly didn't mean that I consider such acts empowering, or that I would find them empowering to do myself. My point was simply that the decision about what Lily Phillips considers empowering, or how she chooses to exercise her freedom, belongs to Lily Phillips alone. Not to me, you or anyone else.

I am not sure who you quoted, as i have lost track of the thread, but whomever it was had it exactly right.

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