To be so disturbed by the male race currently

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All the business with Lily Philips - how many men queued up to do what they did to her

And Gisele Pelicot

Are men really that obsessed with sex that they are so desperate to rape and queue up and be solely concerned with their own depraved satisfaction.

I know it's not all men but I'm feeling so disillusioned with men in general and it seems to be getting worse and not better.

Does anyone else feel like this? Also the only people I see posting about Gisele are female.

Where are all the men??

I'm raising boys and to be honest it's terrifying to look at my innocent children and the world they are growing up in.

for those who asked, the survey was published in 2014 but is behind a paywall. It was comprehensively described in Jezebel in 2015 - can’t link atm but will co e back

I can’t decide whether things would have improved if such a survey were conducted now, because of all the teaching on consent provided in schools and unis, or if the numbers would be even worse, because we’ve had 10 more years of the internet

Yes men feom both cases are abhorrent but only from 1 case are rapists. That's my point.
But STILL, considering the Lily Philips case only, I also loose my faith in men as a whole. It is disgusting, no doubt, this kind of mindset is so widespread

Highly pleasurable..... before/after umpteen other men. Think you need to up your standards.

Yes, and don't compare her in any way to Lily - she was raped, she wasn't a fame-hungry, attention-seeing, badly damaged young woman who voluntarily had sex with 100 random men.

This article on gript.ie - it’s so true the porn
culture and impact on men. It’s this insatiable addiction for more weird and taboo things and training their brains to want dangerously submissive sex acts.

I matched with a man on Tinder recently that wanted to “eat arse”. Romance is officially dead.

He was convicted of aggravated rape, the maximum prison sentence for which is 20 years under French law. Perhaps there will be calls for that to be increased after this case. Remission for good behaviour is quite low in France, so he will probably serve at least 16 years behind bars, if he lives that long.

France. Thats why. Absolutely travesty.

It’s not just that. The men who raped Gisele got off on raping an unconscious woman, the men who volunteered to participate in a sex marathon with Lily got off on a consenting sexual partner.

There is no punishment harsh enough for this man.

I don’t think we need to make this a Madonna vs Whore/ Gisele vs Lily competition.

I believe they’re both victims in different ways.

Er, no. I'd not consider that in a million years and I'm a straight man.

Germaine Greer had it right all along. We've no idea how much men hate us. And all the women thanking their lucky stars that the men they know are the good ones who'd never do that, are kidding themselves. We all know rapists and abusers of women. We might not know that we do, but we absolutely do.

her mother is her accounts manager! That’s really fucking weird imo, it suggests her own family don’t have her best interests at heart. And that is a vulnerable position to be in. Not to mention that fact that no sane person would do this.

Jesus, just the grimness of it all. Imagine knowing one of those men? Working with one? Imagine he comes in all pleased with himself and tells everyone what he got up to at the weekend- what would the reaction be? In my workplace it would be overwhelming revulsion.
Pigs, every single one of them.

I draw a direct line between children and babies being handed photos/ipads and unfettered internet access, and the resulting adults who view porn/rape/sexual degradation as normal.

It is a continuous line. I see babies sucking pacifiers and flicking their fingers up the screen for the next video.

Next next next more more more.

It hacks our brains.

Bollox.

When I first heard of Dominique Pelicot my first thought was I bet he’s not the only one who has done this.
It came out in court that one of those convicted with him had messaged about drugging and raping his own mother.
I believe Pelicot is under investigation for other crimes too.
I know it’s not all men but these sort seem to be having a race back to the bottom of the swamp.

Sometimes I wonder about some of them.

Exactly, hence my final sentence. But to say that having sex with Lily as part of her challenge could not be pleasurable for the men is ridiculous, however disgusting we find them.

I’m not male. I was referring to it being pleasurable for the men, which was why they were motivated to participate, however depraved it might see

If you're someone who derives pleasure from sticking your knob into somewhere dozens of men have left their ejaculate, then there's no hope for you as a human being.

Honestly just sign up for the 1000 men gang bang since it sounds "highly pleasurable" to you, you too can have a shot.

Yes. They are. The ‘happy hooker’ myth is just as insidious as the myth that women want to be drugged and abused, that they consent to being unconscious for their husbands pleasure.

Fucking. Men.

I don’t have a knob to stick anywhere, so I think I’m safe enough.

Are they not? Show me a100 women who would want to go - for ‘fun’ or bragging rights - one after the other onto the cock of a sex worker while being filmed.

We all know they don’t exist.

Men will behave within the boundaries society sets them and/or what they can get away with.

In a gay relationship where their male partner doesn't mind if they sleep around? They'll shag around!

In a straight relationship with a woman (and society) that expects monogamy? If looks and resources allowed and they thought they could get away with cheating without losing anything... They probably would.

I agree with you op.

Men are largely scum. And yes I think most unfortunately. If every single woman you know has been harassed or assaulted multiple times.... It has to be most men.

Treating a woman like a hole.

They sound like lovely men

Plus a very low bar for pleasure