To be so disturbed by the male race currently

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All the business with Lily Philips - how many men queued up to do what they did to her

And Gisele Pelicot

Are men really that obsessed with sex that they are so desperate to rape and queue up and be solely concerned with their own depraved satisfaction.

I know it's not all men but I'm feeling so disillusioned with men in general and it seems to be getting worse and not better.

Does anyone else feel like this? Also the only people I see posting about Gisele are female.

Where are all the men??

I'm raising boys and to be honest it's terrifying to look at my innocent children and the world they are growing up in.

I feel similar. I have been raped and had an attempted rape I fought off. I have been a victim of domestic violence. I know others who've been raped or beaten up by men. An immediate family member of mine was raped and murdered. The list keeps growing. I keep witnessing others being violated. I have no faith in men.

I think men could help the situation by not laughing when they hear a joke about rape for example or calling their mates out for misogynistic language or behaviour. If their mate beats his partner. Stop socialising with them. Men can help. But the majority have no empathy.

The men who ejaculated in her eyes put Lily at risk of herpes, gonorrhoea, chlamydia and syphilis, just to be going on with. These men are human skidmarks.

I agree with you. Internet porn and women and men saying ‘men have urges, porn is all consenting adults, click on - watch in the House of Lords whatever - this is our ‘new’normal and it’s not going to change’. We are wasting our breath and nothing will change. Unless something shifts and this is needs to be from governments down.

Internet porn is dire. And it’s free and direct to teenagers phones and it is the norm. We have a whole generation that clicks on ‘Young girls gang bang’ with impunity and for free in their bedrooms and it is the norm. Totally the norm. Women are meat.

Men do not challenge other men. I asked my DP about this last night and he said years ago a colleague showed him his phone (out of work in a pub) of a woman in the car doing a sex act (on him) and he had filmed it (I guess it was done consensually but he’s not sure) he showed it to DP expecting DP to be impressed. DP told him actually he thought it was pretty gross and didn’t want to watch it. His work colleague (different department and they weren’t friends) looked a bit taken back that DP said he didn’t want to watch it.

DP and I discussed last night where are the men on their knees protested at the rapes in France and vowing to keep their wives, sisters, mums, friends safe - where is their movement. It has to come from the men.

I have a son, he is young. I don’t want him as a statistic of the 33% of 16-24 year old boys and men that view porn on a daily basis and think it normal. I don’t want my daughter as an object. I don’t want porn in my house, on my phone or accessible to anyone. It’s not true men need it. It’s not.

I was also raped. I am sorry that happened to you.

I can remember after my rapist repeatedly contacted me (a bit of a convoluted story but it happened a number of times - the contact) so I will keep it short but basically a male who didn’t know me but knew what happened and about the contact and he paid him a visit. We don’t need men to protect us, we need men to call each other out and protect each other and society. They need to self regulate each other. The law needs to properly punish rapists or any violence.

NewButold

But what your posts miss is that what happened to GP is horrific for many reasons one of which was the scale.

If you spent a typical day chatting to every woman you met about their negative experiences with men I guarantee you will build up a picture starting with the small stuff (misogynistic comments from men at work or work men and overheard conversations) the bigger stuff (being groped, cat called, up skirted, revenge porn) to the top end (rape and sexual assault).

(Please forgive my crude categorising - just intended to demonstrated how there are so many things that people brush off and excuse because it's not "that bad")

So actually the reality is all the things so many of us experience daily.

Did you know in a survey something awful like 1 in 4 young school girls experience sexual comments in public from a stranger, while in their uniform, before they are 12?

So actually I'd like the Nice Men you speak of to challenge this and speak up for us. Otherwise they aren't much better than the perpetrators of these behaviours

No, you need to read what i actually wrote.

& calling me "ridiculous" because you don't agree or cannot see my pov is also quite a male thing to do... to belittle and condescend.

Porn is not the issue with men, men are the issue and have been in regard to how they treat women since time began.

Pre 1991, rape in marriage was legal, many men beat and raped their wives, there was no porn or not the sort of internet porn we have now.

Men have been murdering women in a domestic setting at around 2 to 3 a week for many decades.

Saying or implying it is porn, is imho excusing male sexual violence, much like "oh he was abused as a child" it still doesn't excuse rape/abuse.

I would suggest that failure to charge and convict men accused of rape is a far bigger problem, the stats have told men they do what they like to woman and get away with it and even when convicted, will get a paltry sentence.

Dd aged 16 said every single boy (bar one who was from a different culture) turned nastily abusive when the girl ends the relationship however gently. This is one way the girls cry with her friends.

One lad even said he would commit suicide if her friend did not send him nudes 🙄. So depressing.

DC attend a single sex school and I am so grateful they are not routinely exposed to stuff like this in their friendship groups.

Male violence and misogyny is endemic and a blight on women's and children's lives. I hate it. I didn't see it until I started working in education and so often realised that, at the heart of so many issues which arose in the settings in which I worked, could be found an abusive, controlling, coercive or otherwise dominant man.

Mine are at a single sex school too and are girls so am glad. Dds first interactions with boys she’s not massively impressed. She’s been surprised by this lashing out when rejected - out it all comes the misogynistic grim words as soon as things aren’t going their way. Girls aren’t perfect I know but they just don’t react like that when dumped.

Only because the law says so. But the motive was the same. The men wanted easy sex. The person they had sex with wasn't important. They didn't care about her well-being, let alone her enjoyment. She was just an object. A living fleshlight.

This is grotesque.

What both parties did was grotesque. But it was Lily’s idea, and she earned a fortune from it.

By 'both parties', you mean ONE woman as one 'party', and the 101 men as the other 'party'? Your phrasing makes it sound as though there was equality in the extent of 'grotesque' behaviour by men and women here, when in reality the men behaving grotesquely outnumbered the woman 100 to 1. And if there'd been the option that could have higher given the numbers of men who applied. Which brings us back to the subject of the thread - the frightening extent of male bad behaviour. This is the issue, however much you try to divert attention by bringing it back to the ONE woman in the scenario.

This ^^

I think posters need to take a step back before they blame porn as a major contributor to rapes etc.

Men's understanding of women's place in relation to themselves within society starts from birth.

Little boys see that their working mothers will likely take the lions share of the menial tasks at home.
They can see adult males are physically stronger and can intimidate women easily.
They hear that most of the top wealthy people in the world are male.
They know that 99% of the top sports people who earn millions and are idolised are male.
They can see that women are expected to wear clothing and make up and generally take much greater care of their appearance than men, for male gaze.
They see that women are expected to take up less space than men, just one train journey would confirm this.
They see the magazines on the shelves in the shops, full of images of old white powerful men and young skinny pretty women scantily clad.
They can see that most functional items such as seat belts, cabinet heights and jar cap sizes, to name but a few, have been designed around the average male.
They see the news reports where women are murdered across the world by men for being female.
They know that even if they don't work hard at school they will earn more than their female equals.
They hear adult men talking over women and then see that the men are being listened to over the women.
They see that a woman will likely take her husbands name upon marriage but it is incredibly rare for the man to take hers.
They know that the definition of 'having sex' is all about males putting their penis into a woman and males ejaculating because that is the very definition of having sex. Nothing about the woman's enjoyment in that phrase at all.

This list could go on.

These are some of the things that teach, consciously or subconsciously, little boys their place in society is above girls. Women being degrading in Porn is the result of all these things not the cause.

Which race of men are the biggest problem, do you think?

Lily devised this (presumably) unprecedented and grotesque challenge, and advertised for participants. Some men elected to participate, which earned Lily a lot of money. Had she not decided to do this, none of the men would have had sex with her. Yes, the fact that some men did participate could be viewed as reprehensible. However, she was the architect of the whole situation, and could have stopped the proceedings at any time. She chose to complete her disgusting stunt, and she profited handsomely from it.

/boak

Yes indeed. She organised and went ahead with it. We know this well, and there's been more than one thread here and in many other places where this had been discussed.
But this thread is to discuss the men. Does it not concern you that so many men did this? That all it took was one woman to make this 'grotesque' offer to have them queuing in their hundreds to take her up on it?

Had she not decided to do this, none of the men would have had sex with her. Yes, the fact that some men did participate could be viewed as reprehensible. However, she was the architect of the whole situation, and could have stopped the proceedings at any time

Equally the men could have turned up and then had a change of heart because it was reprehensible and they could have done the right thing....

but instead, they filled their boots. Took, and gave nothing. They were entitled, because they didn't value the sexual act anything more than getting their end away,

no matter what you say about the situation, they come away badly and they could have chosen to do the right thing, because it was the right thing, not because someone was watching, as the saying goes.

Exactly, just because something is on offer doesn't mean you should have it.. it's like saying people are resolved of all responsibility and morals just because it was offered.
People decide everything they do.
Men who do things like this are disgusting.

That isn’t going to protect her fortunately, don’t get complacent. Teachers, sports coaches, brothers of friends, boyfriends of friends, male relatives, friends of male relatives, friends of your DP..
Depressing but the reality is most abuse or unwanted ales attention comes from someone we know.

Unfortunately that should be …

Getting hung up on wording when we all know what OP meant is being a pedant for the sake of it and insulting to the reality of the awful situation women are in.

If you spent a typical day chatting to every woman you met about their negative experiences with men I guarantee you will build up a picture starting with the small stuff (misogynistic comments from men at work or work men and overheard conversations) the bigger stuff (being groped, cat called, up skirted, revenge porn) to the top end (rape and sexual assault).

Absolutely this.

And let's not forget - while busily describing the men in Lily's case as not being rapists - some of them did not stop when their time was up and they were told to and some of them ejaculated in her eyes and face when they had been told not to.

Even when participating in this 'consensual' event they had to push it further than the consent allowed.

There's not a single one of the 100 that I would give tuppence to save from a fire. I don't care how legal the act was, I still think all 100 are a stain on society.