AIBU to think famous women don't look worse because they age, it's because of the surgery.

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Not going to name any specific women actors but I was just looking at one of my fave comedians whose just had a face full of fillers and she just didn't look great. She was about the same age as me (early 50s) and my friends and none of them have had anything done, (well maybe a little but it's not obvious if they have), but they all great and I'd be really shocked if any of them started to go down the route of such extreme fillers / botox etc.

I'm not saying I look like I've fallen into the fountain of youth, far from it, but I look, for want of a better word, normal.

I do get there is so much pressure on women in the public eye but after a certain stage of procedures it doesn't make anyone look any younger and just starts to make people look weird.

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Yes, thanks! It's Lindsay Lohan. Think she's had a deep plane facelift and she looks great. But then it would do, she's only in her 30s.

Telltale sign of a deep plane is the subtle front of ear scar or pull and of course the mouth looks pulled, which it has been. It can look a bit 'Joker' ish if you know what I mean. So you can tell Lindsay had it.
But the more surgery you get, the more damage and scar tissue is created.
Also they don't last, so after 8-10 years all those ageing signs will revisit!

Yes please, no more fillers for your face (a tiny, and I mean tiny amount in the lips can look great, to even out lips size, etc) but NOT in your facial features like cheeks, etc.

The photo I posted was from a few months ago - to me she has definitely ‘kept up’ her face. Photos of her recently show a smoother appearance - not wrinkle free but refreshed. I really don’t think she’s aged without help (and I have no issue with that at all!)

@uptheculdesac bloody hell I’m bad at this photo and tagging stuff 🤦🏻‍♀️

I've never been a fan of Victoria B, I still remember an interview she did where she was having problems speaking because she'd had so much lip filler done, clearly not long before her interview. She's had lots of work done but not much of it very good.

Brooke Shields I respect, because though she has had work done, they ALL do. It's very subtle and not drastic, she's decided to also show her wrinkles, which is really brave in that industry. She has great bone structure and that really helps.

Since I'm in my 50s now, I am scrupulous with my health (most of the time), I quit drinking alcohol. I work out a lot, combo of cardio and strength training and I take lots of great supplements (NMN, collagen) which really helps your skin.

But nothing, and I mean nothing, helps more than strength training for looking younger. So if I want to perk up my bust, I do specific chest exercises. If I want my glutes/butt to be more lifted, I focus on glute exercises. Nothing could have prepared me for the change in my body that strength training has given me. I'm both amazed and delighted. It's taken some time, following lockdown and sciatica but I can sculpt my physique as I see fit and I love doing it. And I'm not even doing this for aesthetics (which have massively improved, fat loss and musculature I never thought I'd have again) I'm doing this for my older lady physique, to protect against falls and bone and muscle loss. Beside which, I love being strong.

I can pick up a 20kg barbell off the floor with ease. It's the best feeling I've ever experienced!

No lip filler. They are pretty full but I have to admit they look especially full here! Today they are looking more dried and shrivelled with the cold

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I have fewer wrinkles than BS and so do some other people I know. We haven't had filler and Botox. Well I haven't and I am pretty sure my friends haven't. Who knows

My point is to me BS looks natural because she looks older than I do. I'm not sure why you are so incredulous. She really doesn't look particularly smooth for 58 to me.

Speaking of Lindsay Lohan, Kristin Chenoweth in the LL Christmas Netflix movie (Our Little Secret) looks so odd. It must be filler, but it's a definite and unnatural look. Not youthful imo - just a bit odd. Even with professional make-up and lighting.

@uptheculdesac looking good!

Yes, sad thing is for TV/film it puts on 10lb, so actors have to be rake thin.
Looks great on camera, but emaciated IRL.
The most shocking at the moment has been Ariana Grande, she looks skeletal.

This is a really motivating post thankyou!

I think Lindsay Lohan does look great but she is young (compared to me anyway) and probably looks her age.

AG is looking quite worryingly lean.
Regarding aging, I think some people on here have a distorted view of what women look like as we age. Not everyone gets very wrinkled or double chins. I have very few crows feet only when I smile. No forehead lines at all. When I raise my eyebrows my forehead barely creases. My eyebrows just go up and the skin just compresses I guess. It doesn't go into lines.
What I do get is hyperpigmentation and melasma which is also something that is attributed to age along with hormones and sun.

But my point is that not everyone who is quite smooth has 'done' something. Brook Shields whom I posted a picture of looks to me as a very attractive but naturally lined and aged 58 year old. Another poster thinks she must have had work as she looks so young 🤷🏻‍♀️
Some people seem to think everyone over 50 looks decrepit

I can't bear seeing fillers and all that crap. I'm 50 and no way will I ever use anything like it. It's obvious and hideous.

Where I am from there is nothing in the way of ‘work done’ or aesthetics of any description. So I see the full range of aging within my peer group and older. Some are wrinkle free some are not, many have sun aging (it’s a different climate) but what I do see a lot of is that softening of the jowls, the heaviness of the brow and the way the neck loosens up. Very different to what I see around me in London, where I live (I see all sorts here), and very different to what I see on screen - the aging of Hollywood stars doesn’t compare. Obviously there’s always one or two that buck the trend.

That doesn’t mean that I think people over 50 automatically become decrepit…

@Disturbia81 aw thanks! Yes, if you've been considering strength training, then I highly recommend it. Baby steps at first. But you'll be amazed at what you can achieve and building up muscle strength is just such an incredible achievement. Especially at an age where you're expecting everything to go downhill. And it will, unless you counter it 😉

I agree 💪🏼

@uptheculdesac re. ageing, yes you're right, that's the problem. Aesthetically some women age much better than others. But that will become irrelevant now, because tweaks are so popular, it's become normalised.
Result = those that age well naturally are no longer believed because it's so generally accepted that if you look great as you age, you likely have had tweaks!

It's a vicious circle and sadly I don't see any sign of it going back.
Those of us Gen X and Boomers may be the last generations that actually go 'nah, gonna let it all hang'. Because the reality is the younger gens are getting lots of work younger and younger.

So I'm afraid that genie is out of the bottle and it's not going to go back in the bottle. Remember, we're all selling our genetics one way or another. And younger women are very much still in that biological hunt. And that fact of evolutionary biology is very much exploited by all these trillion $ industries.
So selling fake genetics (ie. that we look younger than we are, more attractive, healthier, with perfect teeth, lustrous hair, etc and so forth) is just evolutionary biology at play, as it so often is.

The real point here for me is should women lose their vocations as a result of the patriarchal male gaze of evolutionary biology. And that's a distinct NO. Are they going to want to screw young fertile women, of course.
But women are fighting hard against the skewed viewpoint that the patriarchal view should mean they disappear from screens, their own careers, TV etc just because they get to that 'no longer f able age'.
So the only way this will change is what I'm happy to say women like Nicole Kidman and similar are doing.
I admire her, she has made an effort to work with and bring more women into the industry.
But they need to get to the power base, which are the studios (at least for the moment/AI may change this). Ie. the decision makers.

So granted, it's a reason to be annoyed and expressing unfairness to it is all understandable. But giving the bird to evolutionary biology and those exploiting it, is like asking the sun not to rise. 😉

The saddest example of this for me is the young actress from The Boys TV show. Although i would say she is the extreme and probably has some form of dysmorphia.

I saw Celia Imrie recently on netflix the drama The Diplomat and she looked amazing; yes a lady in her 70s, but an absolutely fabulous one! She still looked like herself and her acting was amazing. I do feel like a lot of actresses who go for the fake look struggle with expressions and it takes me out of the acting. Not so with Celia. Also to shout out on that series Keri Russell also looked amazing and unless it's been v v subtle, she looks really natural too, even down to the tired eyes! Unless that was just part of the scene and actually just good make up. I'd love to look like Keri (she's 6 years older than me) and to look like Celia in my 70s.

@uptheculdesac the really sad part of it all, is to be able to prove you are still viable as a female character as you age (lets face it, men don't have the same issue) in TV/film, you have to have the work done to stay in your job. And being in your job/industry is the only real way you can make impactful change.
Double-edged sword.
I really respect the likes of Reese Witherspoon and Margot Robbie, who both stopped trying to be in the industry as just actors and set up their own production companies to start changing the narratives. And obviously it's a great root for making $$$$
It's taken a long long time for women to get to that point.
This is the only way it will change, they have to compete with the studios and bring female-driven narratives that don't represent misogynistic archetypes on screen.

@HagsRule Erin Moriarty?

I actually like threads like this one because I think this is an important issue for society to talk about.
Women need to talk to women, we need to face to this shame of ageing. We need to realise what is really behind this- men's desire to have a young woman by their side, and not some self-love, emancipation, girl power,...
Many of the procedures done on a healthy (often already beautiful) person carry serious risks, long term or short term. And that's even before we talk about losing facial expression and authentic features, the resources spent, the dissonance of being vs looking a certain age.

I just came across an interview with Lisa Kudraw and most of the comments on IG were very positive about her looks. Yes, looks- not the things she said, sadly... However, it's so refreshing (almost shocking) to see a Hollywood person ageing naturally, people couldn't help themselves.
I do hope the more people like her we have in the spotlight, and the more we talk about it, the less popular plastic surgery will become. Things are going too fast the other way now, and we can't just bury our heads in the sand and call it personal preference.

Hi yes that's the one; it's my DH that watches that TV show, he's pretty oblivious to these things tbh but even he noticed a change in her as he watched more seasons. She's so young as well!

I can understand older women wanting to stop time, preserve their looks. It never looks good… But I can see why they want to do it.

But young women altering their perfectly good faces? Tulisa just looks terrible. And most of the reality TV girls, ruining their looks.

That's impressive.

Where do you get the time for weight training? I am busier in my 50s than (teenagers and aged parent) than any other time in my life.

It was more evident when her face was moving.Or rather, unable to move.