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To want to see my friend without her toddler?

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harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:01

I’ve been friends with her since primary school, over 20 years, and we’ve always been super close. We were each other’s maids of honor, and she’s one of my best friends. Since having her daughter, Sophie (2.5 years old), she insists on bringing her to every meet-up. At first, it made sense because Sophie was breastfed. Now, she says she doesn’t want to miss any time with her daughter, and lately, she frames it as “so fun” to have Sophie along now that she’s move grownup, calling her “another one of the besties” who enjoys our outings and is “part of the gang”.

The reality is less fun. Brunches involve constant interruptions: “Don’t touch that,” “Let me wipe your hands,” “Don’t shout,” “Get down before you fall,” or “Don’t hug Aunty Harriet with jammy hands.” While I understand this is normal toddler behavior, it’s hard to relax or have a proper conversation when I’m dodging sticky hugs or watching her manage Sophie the whole time.

When I’ve suggested meeting without Sophie, she always says, “I don’t want to miss her childhood because of brunch.” We’ve tried playground meet-ups, but those mostly consist of us running after Sophie to keep her safe while barely talking. I love children, but sometimes I just want time with her. For her sake too: she’s mentioned losing 90% of her friends because “if someone doesn’t want to spend time with my child, they aren’t a true friend.”

She has a nanny-housekeeper four days a week and regularly asks her mum to babysit when she and her husband go on date nights (about once a month), but otherwise, she refuses to leave Sophie. I’ve suggested meeting after Sophie’s bedtime or letting her husband put Sophie to bed, but she says she doesn’t want to miss bedtime, and by then, it’s too late to go anywhere.

I have two children of my own (a 5-year-old and a 9-month-old) so I understand the challenges of maintaining pre-motherhood friendships as a parent. But I’m also conscious that, as lovely as my children are, they’re not necessarily welcome at every social gathering. I’ve always made an effort to respect that.

Now, she’s asked if she can bring Sophie to my 30th, a 7 pm dinner at a high-end restaurant, then leave halfway through when Sophie gets tired. I love Sophie, but I don’t think it’s fair to have a toddler crying, running around, or throwing food (as toddlers do) at what’s meant to be a special evening with friends.

OP posts:
Annabella92 · 07/12/2024 14:04

I don't think you are being unreasonable at all

HardlyLikely · 07/12/2024 14:05

Just tell her what you’ve said here but bear in mind that she may decide in favour of her child. You can’t make someone approach socialising the same way you do, no matter how longterm the friendship. I would just bear in mind that all longterm friendships have fallow periods and recover when circumstances change.

Allswellthatendswelll · 07/12/2024 14:07

Sounds bloody tedious!

I love seeing friends without DC.

It would be a blanket no to the 30th. A toddler should be in bed or getting ready for bed at 7pm.

PalisadesPatty · 07/12/2024 14:08

She sounds batshit, I’d stop bothering with her, sounds like everyone else has.

FKAT · 07/12/2024 14:08

Have you posted this before? Sounds familiar.

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:10

FKAT · 07/12/2024 14:08

Have you posted this before? Sounds familiar.

I haven't posted, although I've felt this way for a while

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LeBonBon · 07/12/2024 14:11

I've got the opposite - one of my oldest friends seems to only want to see me if it also involves my 23 month old DD. She doesn't have any DC of her own but is desperate for one. It makes me feel like a bad mum for just wanting some 121 adult time for a change as she insists.

YANBU. I would try and dissuade her from bringing her DD to dinner, it won't end well for anyone.

whatkatydid2014 · 07/12/2024 14:12

I think saying no to this request is wholly reasonable

SilverChampagne · 07/12/2024 14:12

What a pain in the arse she is.
She actually uses not wanting to “miss her childhood” as an excuse not to be apart from her child for the duration of a lunch?
Nuts.
The notion that a two year old is now a part of the gang is also totally bizarre.

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:12

Allswellthatendswelll · 07/12/2024 14:07

Sounds bloody tedious!

I love seeing friends without DC.

It would be a blanket no to the 30th. A toddler should be in bed or getting ready for bed at 7pm.

I said "no", to which she didn't reply anything at the time but then messaged that, she didn't want to say anything in front of Sophie, but it's making her heart tear as a parent. As much as she'd like to celebrate me, she knows that this would mean missing a bedtime and there's only so many times Sophie will want to be put to bed, you blink and she'll be too old. So yes she will come but will likely be thinking of Sophie most of the time anyway (her words)

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Enko · 07/12/2024 14:13

I'm sorry but the restaurant is not suitable for a toddler. I would love to see you in an adult setting without the children. I hope you can make it and perhaps we can do a meet up with the children at a later date.

Leave it to her to be the one who pulls out.

TTPDTS · 07/12/2024 14:13

Only so many bedtimes 😂

Strange that she's so keen to not miss any of her childhood for brunch, but has a nanny / housekeeper and goes on date nights? 🤔 weird!

What you've said isn't unreasonable at all, she's clearly on the UR side.

Enko · 07/12/2024 14:14

Cross post. I think you are just going to have to allow her to withdraw but keep your line of communication open so she can come back when she is ready.

Alwaystired23 · 07/12/2024 14:16

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:12

I said "no", to which she didn't reply anything at the time but then messaged that, she didn't want to say anything in front of Sophie, but it's making her heart tear as a parent. As much as she'd like to celebrate me, she knows that this would mean missing a bedtime and there's only so many times Sophie will want to be put to bed, you blink and she'll be too old. So yes she will come but will likely be thinking of Sophie most of the time anyway (her words)

Well, she's being bloody ridiculous. Don't let her guilt trip you. Just say, you won't be offended that she can't make it. She thinks she can pull at your heart strings, and you'll say yes. Are your dc going?

UncharteredWaters · 07/12/2024 14:16

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:12

I said "no", to which she didn't reply anything at the time but then messaged that, she didn't want to say anything in front of Sophie, but it's making her heart tear as a parent. As much as she'd like to celebrate me, she knows that this would mean missing a bedtime and there's only so many times Sophie will want to be put to bed, you blink and she'll be too old. So yes she will come but will likely be thinking of Sophie most of the time anyway (her words)

Answer - my own children are not coming, so no it would be completely inappropriate for sophie to attend.

or a more sympathetic version of ‘wake up and smell the cheese - this is why you have no friends’

SilverChampagne · 07/12/2024 14:16

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:12

I said "no", to which she didn't reply anything at the time but then messaged that, she didn't want to say anything in front of Sophie, but it's making her heart tear as a parent. As much as she'd like to celebrate me, she knows that this would mean missing a bedtime and there's only so many times Sophie will want to be put to bed, you blink and she'll be too old. So yes she will come but will likely be thinking of Sophie most of the time anyway (her words)

Jesus. Tell her not to bother coming.

She’d be the sole focus of the evening if she did, crying into her drink and other histrionics as her heart tears.
She’s either a total muppet or she’s unwell.

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:17

TTPDTS · 07/12/2024 14:13

Only so many bedtimes 😂

Strange that she's so keen to not miss any of her childhood for brunch, but has a nanny / housekeeper and goes on date nights? 🤔 weird!

What you've said isn't unreasonable at all, she's clearly on the UR side.

From what I understand the nanny-housekeeper is mainly a housekeeper but becomes a nanny if the mum wants some solo time in the toilet, looks after Sophie if mum needs to go to a doctors appointment , important phone call or a rare errand to run

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paddyclampster · 07/12/2024 14:19

When mine were toddlers, I’d have jumped at the chance of some time out from them, despite the fact that I loved them dearly and they were my whole world!!! Just say no!

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:19

@Alwaystired23 my children aren't coming, no. We're having a separate family meal for my 30th with parents and PILs, the children, my husband, my siblings, nieces and nephews, and then for the dinner with friends my DC will be with my parents.

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doodleschnoodle · 07/12/2024 14:20

Another soldier lost to batshit helicopter/codependent parenting.

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Allswellthatendswelll · 07/12/2024 14:21

This is wild!

I think most parents, who love their children and enjoy them, would be very happy to have the odd bedtime off!

She sounds like a bit of a shit friend for guilt tripping you and if she can't put you first for one night for a milestone birthday.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 07/12/2024 14:23

YANBU at all but hope you have a hard hat as MN tends to consider women who feel this way as being akin to the spawn of Satan.

NiftyKoala · 07/12/2024 14:24

doodleschnoodle · 07/12/2024 14:20

Another soldier lost to batshit helicopter/codependent parenting.

Flowers

This. My God its a dinner that is not appropriate for a toddler. I can see why she's lost 90% of her friends.

Hobnobswantshernameback · 07/12/2024 14:30

I swear we have had half a dozen virtually identical threads to this recently
Maybe use advanced search OP and get some tips

BCSurvivor · 07/12/2024 14:32

OP, your friend sounds really selfish and thoughtless.
I would prepare yourself for her to turn up with Sophie anyway, regardless of what she says now, and make herself and Sophie the focus of your your special evening.

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