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AIBU?

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To want to see my friend without her toddler?

272 replies

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:01

I’ve been friends with her since primary school, over 20 years, and we’ve always been super close. We were each other’s maids of honor, and she’s one of my best friends. Since having her daughter, Sophie (2.5 years old), she insists on bringing her to every meet-up. At first, it made sense because Sophie was breastfed. Now, she says she doesn’t want to miss any time with her daughter, and lately, she frames it as “so fun” to have Sophie along now that she’s move grownup, calling her “another one of the besties” who enjoys our outings and is “part of the gang”.

The reality is less fun. Brunches involve constant interruptions: “Don’t touch that,” “Let me wipe your hands,” “Don’t shout,” “Get down before you fall,” or “Don’t hug Aunty Harriet with jammy hands.” While I understand this is normal toddler behavior, it’s hard to relax or have a proper conversation when I’m dodging sticky hugs or watching her manage Sophie the whole time.

When I’ve suggested meeting without Sophie, she always says, “I don’t want to miss her childhood because of brunch.” We’ve tried playground meet-ups, but those mostly consist of us running after Sophie to keep her safe while barely talking. I love children, but sometimes I just want time with her. For her sake too: she’s mentioned losing 90% of her friends because “if someone doesn’t want to spend time with my child, they aren’t a true friend.”

She has a nanny-housekeeper four days a week and regularly asks her mum to babysit when she and her husband go on date nights (about once a month), but otherwise, she refuses to leave Sophie. I’ve suggested meeting after Sophie’s bedtime or letting her husband put Sophie to bed, but she says she doesn’t want to miss bedtime, and by then, it’s too late to go anywhere.

I have two children of my own (a 5-year-old and a 9-month-old) so I understand the challenges of maintaining pre-motherhood friendships as a parent. But I’m also conscious that, as lovely as my children are, they’re not necessarily welcome at every social gathering. I’ve always made an effort to respect that.

Now, she’s asked if she can bring Sophie to my 30th, a 7 pm dinner at a high-end restaurant, then leave halfway through when Sophie gets tired. I love Sophie, but I don’t think it’s fair to have a toddler crying, running around, or throwing food (as toddlers do) at what’s meant to be a special evening with friends.

OP posts:
WeekendFreedom · 07/12/2024 18:09

KimberleyClark · 07/12/2024 14:48

Now, she’s asked if she can bring Sophie to my 30th, a 7 pm dinner at a high-end restaurant, then leave halfway through when Sophie gets tired. I love Sophie, but I don’t think it’s fair to have a toddler crying, running around, or throwing food (as toddlers do) at what’s meant to be a special evening with friends.

Reading this has made me really cross. It just shows that some parents don’t really care about important things in their friends’ lives.

Edited

It might not be that she doesn’t care about OPs dinner but that she cares more about being with her DD

urbanbuddha · 07/12/2024 18:11

It does sound a bit concerning.
Is Sophie destined to be an only? It also seems unfair on the dad.
I’d have her at the dinner - sans Sophie - just to see if it helps alleviate her anxieties about leaving Sophie for one evening. If she loosens up and has fun the next time might be easier for her.

teatoast8 · 07/12/2024 18:13

YANBU

Elisabeth3468 · 07/12/2024 18:14

Is this woman mad 🤣 I have a 2 and a half year old and would love a child free evening. Does the nanny do a lot in the day time ? Maybe she feels guilty and doesn't actually see her as much as she lets on.

urbanbuddha · 07/12/2024 18:15

Just to add some of my favourite memories from childhood are seeing my mum going out all dressed up, make up and hair beautiful and smelling divine.

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 07/12/2024 18:16

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 17:49

I actually messaged her earlier today to say that if she's so unexcited and it wouldn't be fun for her, she shouldn't join as I value her happiness too much and a birthday party is generally an occasion to enjoy, not come to against your will. She then called me back and said she's torn - she doesn't want to miss my 30th but an evening apart doesn't seem fair on Sophie (she would be with her dad) so I said why doesn't she sit it out this time. I think that offended her? I'm unsure?

Let her be “offended”…
and take a big step back and ask whether you want her in your life.

uninviting her using her own words is exactly the correct thing to have done and her behaviour is beyond self absorbed.

i agree with others she sounds unwell/ like someone I couldn’t associate with. And i say that as someone with 2 under 3.

aperolspritzbasicbitch · 07/12/2024 18:25

I would be furious if a friend always brought their child to my child free time - how bloody selfish!

How well do you know her husband? Is there any way you could have a little chat with him - find out if there's more to it than this?

FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 07/12/2024 18:29

She's not offended- she's trying to manipulate you into letting her bring Sophie.

The phone call earlier saying she's torn didn't work so she's trying a new tactic.

Gloriia · 07/12/2024 18:33

aperolspritzbasicbitch · 07/12/2024 18:25

I would be furious if a friend always brought their child to my child free time - how bloody selfish!

How well do you know her husband? Is there any way you could have a little chat with him - find out if there's more to it than this?

Why would she have a chat with the dh, that would be so intrusive and inappropriate.

When friendships change you can't always fix it, you have to accept it with good grace and focus on other friends. This woman may well regret neglecting friendships once her toddler is older but you can't make people behave as you wish.

DinosaurMunch · 07/12/2024 18:35

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:12

I said "no", to which she didn't reply anything at the time but then messaged that, she didn't want to say anything in front of Sophie, but it's making her heart tear as a parent. As much as she'd like to celebrate me, she knows that this would mean missing a bedtime and there's only so many times Sophie will want to be put to bed, you blink and she'll be too old. So yes she will come but will likely be thinking of Sophie most of the time anyway (her words)

This sounds really unhealthy. Sophie is going to run a mile once she's old enough.

aperolspritzbasicbitch · 07/12/2024 18:38

@Gloriia because her friends behaviour sounds unhealthy.

If my friend was isolating herself in such a way I'd happily ask her husband if he thought she seemed ok.

loulouljh · 07/12/2024 18:39

She sounds unhinged!!!! How will she be when the child is older and doesn't want to hang out with Mum constantly...

Deadbeatex · 07/12/2024 18:39

Well your friend is absolutely right in that different mums do things differently and whilst some enjoy SAHM some enjoy getting back to work. However I think your friend is taking it to the absolute extreme and I can't see how Sophie is going to cope being away from mum when it's time for school.

I'm a single parent and due to both DC having additional needs it's incredibly difficult to arrange childcare so I'm speaking as a SAHM who only gets time off during school hours but that's through necessity not choice as it appears to be for your friend. She also has a DH who can and will step up to be a dad so I can't understand her attitude at all and I really fear the damage she's doing to wee Sophie by not being willing to miss ONE bedtime for a special event?

Do you have mutual friends? Could you all speak to her and show you are genuinely concerned for her mental health and Sophies independence as she grows?

Sugargliderwombat · 07/12/2024 18:43

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:12

I said "no", to which she didn't reply anything at the time but then messaged that, she didn't want to say anything in front of Sophie, but it's making her heart tear as a parent. As much as she'd like to celebrate me, she knows that this would mean missing a bedtime and there's only so many times Sophie will want to be put to bed, you blink and she'll be too old. So yes she will come but will likely be thinking of Sophie most of the time anyway (her words)

Wow!!!!! Whole lot of red flag built and manipulation there. Is SHE a true friend?! Tell her not to worry about coming. I thought you weren't being unreasonable but this response means I think you have every right to be angry.

She is making a mistake really, she's making her entire life about her child which isn't healthy either.

Gloriia · 07/12/2024 18:45

aperolspritzbasicbitch · 07/12/2024 18:38

@Gloriia because her friends behaviour sounds unhealthy.

If my friend was isolating herself in such a way I'd happily ask her husband if he thought she seemed ok.

It depends. If you reread it doesn't come across as if the op is concerned, rather critical and irritated.

If one of my friends had a word with my dh because they were irritated with my behaviour I'd be very cheesed off. The op needs to change her tone and be a bit more 'are you ok, you seem so anxious?' rather than focusing on high end restaurants and unwelcome toddlers.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 07/12/2024 18:45

If a night out isn’t fair on Sophie then oh well she’ll just have to stay in until Sophie is 18 then.

You’re not Sophie’s other parent, you don’t have to organise your life so as to be fair to her. Definitely do not give in!

Daisy12Maisie · 07/12/2024 18:49

I would reply and say. Ok, I understand if you can't make it. Take care.

Rowen32 · 07/12/2024 18:51

That's ridiculous, would never inflict my children on my friends, as wonderful as I think they are, that's just crappy - not quality time, impossible to talk

bridgetreilly · 07/12/2024 18:52

In general I think YABU, but obviously not about your own birthday party.

PennyPugwash · 07/12/2024 18:52

What a lunatic.
You are definitely NOT being unreasonable

BananaPalm · 07/12/2024 18:56

doodleschnoodle · 07/12/2024 14:20

Another soldier lost to batshit helicopter/codependent parenting.

Flowers

Absolutely codependent parent. I feel sorry for Sophie... it will be suffocating for her!

OP, I guess if you can speak to her openly then do but I have a similar friend (although not as batshit) and I personally couldn't tell her that straight...

Suzuki76 · 07/12/2024 19:00

FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 07/12/2024 18:29

She's not offended- she's trying to manipulate you into letting her bring Sophie.

The phone call earlier saying she's torn didn't work so she's trying a new tactic.

This. Do not cave.

She can sit and stare at her sleeping toddler like a weirdo all evening. She needs a wake up call, even if she doesn't realise it was one until said child is 12 and wants to be left alone!

gamerchick · 07/12/2024 19:05

She's trying to make you cave. Tbh she isn't going to let go for a while. If you want to see her it'll have to be with kid but I'd limit it to occasional until she's over herself, it's not as if you're going anywhere. She can make the choice to leave kid with dad or miss out on stuff

MBM18 · 07/12/2024 19:05

Wow YANBU. She sounds loopy, are you sure you want her as a mate 🤣

Strokethefurrywall · 07/12/2024 19:06

Jesus Christ. Do you even want to be friends with this absolute melt?

She sounds insufferable.