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To want to see my friend without her toddler?

272 replies

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:01

I’ve been friends with her since primary school, over 20 years, and we’ve always been super close. We were each other’s maids of honor, and she’s one of my best friends. Since having her daughter, Sophie (2.5 years old), she insists on bringing her to every meet-up. At first, it made sense because Sophie was breastfed. Now, she says she doesn’t want to miss any time with her daughter, and lately, she frames it as “so fun” to have Sophie along now that she’s move grownup, calling her “another one of the besties” who enjoys our outings and is “part of the gang”.

The reality is less fun. Brunches involve constant interruptions: “Don’t touch that,” “Let me wipe your hands,” “Don’t shout,” “Get down before you fall,” or “Don’t hug Aunty Harriet with jammy hands.” While I understand this is normal toddler behavior, it’s hard to relax or have a proper conversation when I’m dodging sticky hugs or watching her manage Sophie the whole time.

When I’ve suggested meeting without Sophie, she always says, “I don’t want to miss her childhood because of brunch.” We’ve tried playground meet-ups, but those mostly consist of us running after Sophie to keep her safe while barely talking. I love children, but sometimes I just want time with her. For her sake too: she’s mentioned losing 90% of her friends because “if someone doesn’t want to spend time with my child, they aren’t a true friend.”

She has a nanny-housekeeper four days a week and regularly asks her mum to babysit when she and her husband go on date nights (about once a month), but otherwise, she refuses to leave Sophie. I’ve suggested meeting after Sophie’s bedtime or letting her husband put Sophie to bed, but she says she doesn’t want to miss bedtime, and by then, it’s too late to go anywhere.

I have two children of my own (a 5-year-old and a 9-month-old) so I understand the challenges of maintaining pre-motherhood friendships as a parent. But I’m also conscious that, as lovely as my children are, they’re not necessarily welcome at every social gathering. I’ve always made an effort to respect that.

Now, she’s asked if she can bring Sophie to my 30th, a 7 pm dinner at a high-end restaurant, then leave halfway through when Sophie gets tired. I love Sophie, but I don’t think it’s fair to have a toddler crying, running around, or throwing food (as toddlers do) at what’s meant to be a special evening with friends.

OP posts:
SalsaLights · 07/12/2024 15:49

This is an easy solve - it just needs a short message back.

Completely understand you want to prioritise being at home. Sorry you won't be able to come, but thanks for letting me know. We'll catch up another time.

Any further pushing from her should be met with "It's my birthday and I want an adults-only dinner. If you aren't able to join because of childcare reasons then I understand".

Bloom15 · 07/12/2024 15:49

YANBU

Your friend sounds batshit. I love meeting friends without DS - otherwise all about him!

Onlycoffee · 07/12/2024 15:51

Maybe her husband won't look after the child but she doesn't want to admit it.

Otherwise it's pretty weird to want her all the time, what will she do once school starts?

wellIguessitwouldberice · 07/12/2024 15:52

Poor child - the mum is so over involved

Overwhelmedowl · 07/12/2024 15:54

Stick to your guns OP. A 2.5 year old shouldn’t be out for an evening meal anyway! She should be winding down for bed!
She sounds like she’s got severe anxiety or something, this isn’t normal behaviour. I have a toddler but I love the (now rare) occasion I get a few hours to myself out with friends etc.

FestiveFruitloop · 07/12/2024 15:57

Ugh, YANBU and your friend is going the right way about it if she wants to lose all her friends. Sophie is also going to grow up feeling terribly suffocated when she's older.

LostittoBostik · 07/12/2024 15:58

I've read the whole thread now and actually feel really sorry for her DH who is probably desperate for some time to hang with his daughter.
This is actually really sad. But also, not directly your problem.
If you're close to the DH, have you tried mentioning to him that you're concerned she is a bit co-dependent and will struggle when she's a teen?

GentlemanJay · 07/12/2024 16:00

Enko · 07/12/2024 14:13

I'm sorry but the restaurant is not suitable for a toddler. I would love to see you in an adult setting without the children. I hope you can make it and perhaps we can do a meet up with the children at a later date.

Leave it to her to be the one who pulls out.

This.

She needs to get a life. I wouldn't want the child at my party either.

InNeedofAdvice1234 · 07/12/2024 16:04

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:12

I said "no", to which she didn't reply anything at the time but then messaged that, she didn't want to say anything in front of Sophie, but it's making her heart tear as a parent. As much as she'd like to celebrate me, she knows that this would mean missing a bedtime and there's only so many times Sophie will want to be put to bed, you blink and she'll be too old. So yes she will come but will likely be thinking of Sophie most of the time anyway (her words)

Your friend will end up with a spoilt brat on her hands but she won't see it until it's too late. I am afraid there's no way forward with this friendship in my opinion. Even when Sophie is a teenager all the drama will be about Sophie- what she said and did and how badly she is treating her mum after her mum sacrificed everything

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 07/12/2024 16:09

Easy for the dinner - hold the no but say you understand if she doesn’t feel she can come along.

at 2.5 you are at least not far from preschool. (Is she going to use preschool?)

you might also want to gently say that it’s important that her dh gets some 1-2-1 time with Sophie so their relationship doesn’t suffer.

Silvers11 · 07/12/2024 16:10

@harrietmg To be honest I would tell your 'friend' that if she is going to be so upset at leaving her child at home on your Birthday, it would be better if she stayed at home, spent time with her child and you can meet up another time? Or better yet withdraw the invitation. She doesn't sound much of a friend tbh if she is now tying to guilt trip you/sulking with her reply to you

She's going to spoil your Birthday anyway, ifshe comes. I can 99% guarantee. She'll either turn up with Sophie ( couldn't get a babysitter) or she will be a wet blanket all night and probably have all the attention focused on her?

kva · 07/12/2024 16:29

Had a similar friend who was a bit obsessed over her child. I thought the reason was his health, but then realised she left him with a dad when she needed to go to a sports class, etc. She left her job a while ago, so really I am sure she could find a couple of hours for me, if she wanted to. After several failed attempts to arrange a grown-up time only, I started seeing her mainly as a mom friend, i.e. a good person to meet for playdates but not really a close friend anymore.

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 17:47

AlpacaMittens · 07/12/2024 15:01

Of course you are not being unreasonable. And you've been far more patient than I would be.

If this was my friend, I'd eventually start worrying about her mental health but it's a tricky one - how do you bring it up?

What's more worrying is the "my toddler is my bestie and part of the gang" - what my therapist had explained to me very clearly is that your parents cannot be your bestie when you're a child. You can have a friendly relationship with your parents when you're an adult. Ask me how I know - yep, you guessed it, my mum wanted us to be Gilmore Girls type besties and was annoyed when it wouldn't work, which in turn then resulted in guilt tripping me for years and years.

Rant over 😂

I do worry for her mental health... but I don't know what else to say. If I say anything like "she would be ok with dad" "it'll be fun for them together" she just says that Sophie is a major part of her life and surely as a friend I can accept that her life has now changed / we are no longer 15 and childfree / Sophie is her priority.
If I mention that it's beneficial for mum and baby to have time apart, for baby to develop a relationship with dad independently, for mum to have time to relax and recharge, she says all mums are different and for her recharging is being with Sophie, not apart.
When she says that Sophie's dad is a great dad, I have previously asked why she worries about leaving them alone then, and she says firstly she doesn't see a need - she's happier in Sophie's company than apart, and secondly she doesn't like that he would do things differently from her, for example dad has sometimes forgotten to put a bib on her or given her a small piece of cake if he wanted some himself. Sophie asks for mummy at bedtime (because she's always only had mummy?!)

OP posts:
harrietmg · 07/12/2024 17:49

I actually messaged her earlier today to say that if she's so unexcited and it wouldn't be fun for her, she shouldn't join as I value her happiness too much and a birthday party is generally an occasion to enjoy, not come to against your will. She then called me back and said she's torn - she doesn't want to miss my 30th but an evening apart doesn't seem fair on Sophie (she would be with her dad) so I said why doesn't she sit it out this time. I think that offended her? I'm unsure?

OP posts:
Mill3nnial · 07/12/2024 17:54

You are completely reasonable to say no and she needs to either come anyway and suck it up or just not come, brining the child or going on about the child are a no

CocoapuffPuff · 07/12/2024 17:55

If it offended her, tough. This is YOUR birthday and you've made the arrangements to suit yourself.

TonTonMacoute · 07/12/2024 17:55

YANBU.

Her obsession with her DC sounds deranged. If she would rather stay in and put her toddler to bed, so be it. But I understand that it's very upsetting that this is more important to her than your long friendship.

Peanutssuck · 07/12/2024 17:55

I had a friend like this - said child is now 20 - totally incapable of standing on her own 2 feet, doesn't have a job and still goes everywhere with her mother.

Plastictrees · 07/12/2024 17:56

@harrietmg I definitely think there’s some attachment-based anxiety going on here, but she is entrenched and defensive so I see no point in continuing the conversation at this time. I would be more boundaried moving forward, and hope this is either a phase or something she can eventually reflect on and seek support with. I certainly wouldn’t pander to her. She sounds self-absorbed and exhausting. Enjoy your birthday without her.

I do wonder if the over focus on Sophie is masking something else e.g is she perhaps a bit socially anxious, does she not know who is anymore without Sophie there, why does she need to be needed so much? But this isn’t for you to figure out, and she is not forthcoming either.

Plastictrees · 07/12/2024 18:01

I don’t think you’ve said if you’ve asked her about the date nights she has away from Sophie? Curious how she is able to justify that, when presumably Sophie is away from both parents. God forbid.

Gloriia · 07/12/2024 18:01

Rather than over analysing her parenting and pull her apart online I just wouldn't overthink it.

You're only 30, got lots of things going on just accept you are both now very different people and let the friendship slide. Sad yes but you can't make her be what she isn't.

Secondguess · 07/12/2024 18:02

When she phoned you she was trying to get you to agree that her daughter must come to your party. The faux dilemma of "I want to be there and I also want to be with my daughter" had an obvious answer, you just didn't play ball. 😂

Also, it sounds like she's being very rude when she speaks to you about what it's like being Sophie's mum - much less like you're a fully functioning adult, never mind a parent, and more like you're Sophie's sibling who doesn't understand the basics of parenting.

FuckILookLike · 07/12/2024 18:03

I know we all parent differently but that really is extreme. She doesn’t want to miss one bedtime and will spend the whole time thinking of her daughter? No advice but it sounds difficult to navigate. I say this as a single mum of a 2.5 and 3.5 year old. I always try and find adult time with just my friends!

TiredEyesToday · 07/12/2024 18:05

i wonder if there’s something MH related going on… It doesn’t sound normal, and I say that as someone who had severe postpartum anxiety, and over attachment issues.

Unfortunately if your friend isn’t willing to talk about what’s really (possibly) going on, I’m not sure what you can do to help her. Maybe just keep being there for her as best you can, but agree with a poster upthread that you are absolytspf
to be boundaried about this.

Iwanttoliveiniriscottage · 07/12/2024 18:08

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:12

I said "no", to which she didn't reply anything at the time but then messaged that, she didn't want to say anything in front of Sophie, but it's making her heart tear as a parent. As much as she'd like to celebrate me, she knows that this would mean missing a bedtime and there's only so many times Sophie will want to be put to bed, you blink and she'll be too old. So yes she will come but will likely be thinking of Sophie most of the time anyway (her words)

Your friend sounds absolutely ridiculous. You are not being unreasonable at all. Don’t give in about not having the child at your birthday meal.