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To want to see my friend without her toddler?

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harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:01

I’ve been friends with her since primary school, over 20 years, and we’ve always been super close. We were each other’s maids of honor, and she’s one of my best friends. Since having her daughter, Sophie (2.5 years old), she insists on bringing her to every meet-up. At first, it made sense because Sophie was breastfed. Now, she says she doesn’t want to miss any time with her daughter, and lately, she frames it as “so fun” to have Sophie along now that she’s move grownup, calling her “another one of the besties” who enjoys our outings and is “part of the gang”.

The reality is less fun. Brunches involve constant interruptions: “Don’t touch that,” “Let me wipe your hands,” “Don’t shout,” “Get down before you fall,” or “Don’t hug Aunty Harriet with jammy hands.” While I understand this is normal toddler behavior, it’s hard to relax or have a proper conversation when I’m dodging sticky hugs or watching her manage Sophie the whole time.

When I’ve suggested meeting without Sophie, she always says, “I don’t want to miss her childhood because of brunch.” We’ve tried playground meet-ups, but those mostly consist of us running after Sophie to keep her safe while barely talking. I love children, but sometimes I just want time with her. For her sake too: she’s mentioned losing 90% of her friends because “if someone doesn’t want to spend time with my child, they aren’t a true friend.”

She has a nanny-housekeeper four days a week and regularly asks her mum to babysit when she and her husband go on date nights (about once a month), but otherwise, she refuses to leave Sophie. I’ve suggested meeting after Sophie’s bedtime or letting her husband put Sophie to bed, but she says she doesn’t want to miss bedtime, and by then, it’s too late to go anywhere.

I have two children of my own (a 5-year-old and a 9-month-old) so I understand the challenges of maintaining pre-motherhood friendships as a parent. But I’m also conscious that, as lovely as my children are, they’re not necessarily welcome at every social gathering. I’ve always made an effort to respect that.

Now, she’s asked if she can bring Sophie to my 30th, a 7 pm dinner at a high-end restaurant, then leave halfway through when Sophie gets tired. I love Sophie, but I don’t think it’s fair to have a toddler crying, running around, or throwing food (as toddlers do) at what’s meant to be a special evening with friends.

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harrietmg · 07/12/2024 15:14

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 07/12/2024 14:38

@harrietmg is her hubby also going for the meal?? does he refuse to babysit look after his own child??? she sounds like she will still be putting her daughter to bed at 10 years old!!

Edited

She says she doesn't like leaving him to "babysit" because he does things differently to her, examples have been that he is more lenient on screen time, he gives Sophie the occasional piece of cake / chocolate if he's having some in front of her, he doesn't seem enthusiastic when he reads books and that at bedtime Sophie just prefers mummy.
We've been at an event together a few months ago for one of our mutual friends, the husband offered to take Sophie outside and entertain her for a couple of hours whilst we hang out, mum said no.

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Jumell · 07/12/2024 15:15

YADNBU!

LuckySantangelo35 · 07/12/2024 15:17

Just bin her off Op

Jumell · 07/12/2024 15:18

On a general level I feel your friend needs to let go of some control re her daughter

CrazyGoatLady · 07/12/2024 15:22

She sounds quite extreme and controlling. Definitely say no to the dinner, a toddler shouldn't be at an event that starts at 7pm.

Adult friendships can and do change when DC come along and it's not unreasonable that you would want your friends to know your kids and hopefully be fond of them. But a toddler can't be "one of the gang" because they're a toddler, not an adult. Needing some adult time occasionally to help maintain your adult friendship and your non-parent self is healthy. Kids don't belong in every single adult space, and vice versa. I doubt Sophie will want her mum tagging along with her and her friends when she's a teenager!

PinkPolkadotFlamingo · 07/12/2024 15:23

I had a friend who was a little a bit like this, I just reduced how frequently I saw her, without giving up on hrt, entirely and she has chilled out now that her kids are older.

My advice on the 30th would be to say something along the lines of "Sorry it's an adult only event, which is why my own aren't coming. I appreciate that you're not up for that type of thing at the moment, so let's catch up separately soon."

steponacrackbreakyourmothersback · 07/12/2024 15:23

You probably have to accept that they come as a package for meet ups. I'd categorise her as a mum friend and do strictly day time events with the kids. Mostly school holiday meet ups.

And absolutely a no for your 30th!

CocoapuffPuff · 07/12/2024 15:30

God no to her toddler coming to the restaurant. That's way beyond a reasonable request. I wouldn't tolerate her moping and trying to make you feel guilty about it either. If she can't let you enjoy your birthday, then its best she doesn't come at all. Nobody wants a dolly-downer like that about when you're having fun. It's one evening.
In fact, I'd tell her you're unhappy at making her choose between your special birthday meal out and her daughter on that one evening, so you've decided to make it easy for her and rescinded her invitation. Let's have lunch, just the 3 of us, later in the week.

Purpleturtle46 · 07/12/2024 15:30

She is being very unreasonable, you need a life away from your child as well and if won't do the child any favours in the long term.

The 30th birthday thing is absolutely ridiculous!

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 15:30

FiveWhatByFiveWhat · 07/12/2024 14:45

Wow.

I mean this kindly op, but is your friend... Ok? Because this is really extreme? Did Sophie come along after some struggles or losses?

My son is 5 and was a baby through lockdown. His separation anxiety when the world opened up was off the scale and if I'm being honest probably so was mine a bit because it had been just us for so long. He also has some additional needs. So even now I don't get out as much as I probably should for "me time" but it's improved massively this last year. I would never take him to something clearly not aimed at children and I'd never make my friends feel bad for not always wanting meets ups to include him. "Only so many bed times" good lord I'd absolutely give an arm to miss some bed times with my son 🤣

I also think she's being selfish and very cheeky trying to guilt you like this whilst regularly having date nights and having the privilege of a sodding housekeeper and nanny!

Sophie was conceived by accident straight after their wedding, the plan was to wait a year.

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xmascrackerr · 07/12/2024 15:31

God she sounds unbearable! Stick to your guns and sit at the opposite end of the table from her at your birthday meal so you don’t have to witness or listen to her heart ‘tearing’ whilst relaying stories of the kid.

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 15:33

DPotter · 07/12/2024 14:46

harrietmg

Your birthday dinner is an easy one - a straight no. Your children will not be there, it's an evening event and most importantly you don't want children there.

I would also be tempted to say that if she's going to miss Sophie so much, she'd best not come. In fact insist she doesn't

As for the other aspects of your relationship - you've asked, you've been honest but she's not taking on board what you are saying. I've known a few women like this -they become so completely engrossed in their child to the exclusion of everyone else and in one instance to the exclusion of the father as well. Sometimes a second child breaks the cycle, but usually there's no second child, so it continues. It's not healthy, and sadly there's not a thing you can do about it.

Use your birthday dinner as an opportunity to re-shape your relationship. You can continue to invite your friend to adult only meet ups, but accept she will not join you. You can tell her this or not, but as the saying goes - you can't make someone else change how they behave, you can only change how you behave.

When I mention my children not coming, she just says all mums are different, all kids are different. Then she says she tries not to judge some mums that want to run back to work to build a career, she couldn't do that, equally perhaps those mums would hate being home with a baby all day like she was. Everyone is different, see. Don't judge. Every time I mention that it's ok to leave Sophie and her dad (whom I know quite well) is a lovely man, adored his daughter to bits, will manage just fine!

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Henbags · 07/12/2024 15:34

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:12

I said "no", to which she didn't reply anything at the time but then messaged that, she didn't want to say anything in front of Sophie, but it's making her heart tear as a parent. As much as she'd like to celebrate me, she knows that this would mean missing a bedtime and there's only so many times Sophie will want to be put to bed, you blink and she'll be too old. So yes she will come but will likely be thinking of Sophie most of the time anyway (her words)

Tell me this is a joke. I would love a reason to avoid bed time with my son when he is doing everything in his power to not go to bed!

Her relationship does not sound healthy. Yet she seems to be ok to not be there for a bed time when she has a date night with her husband?

JC89 · 07/12/2024 15:34

Only so many bedtimes? There's over 1000 in the first 3 years, my eldest is nearly 5 and isn't showing any signs of not wanting me to do bedtime, so I wouldn't be surprised if we get well over 2000 bedtimes. She can't miss one?

TomatoSandwiches · 07/12/2024 15:36

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:12

I said "no", to which she didn't reply anything at the time but then messaged that, she didn't want to say anything in front of Sophie, but it's making her heart tear as a parent. As much as she'd like to celebrate me, she knows that this would mean missing a bedtime and there's only so many times Sophie will want to be put to bed, you blink and she'll be too old. So yes she will come but will likely be thinking of Sophie most of the time anyway (her words)

I could not maintain a genuine friendship with someone so twee, sorry but something has gone wrong with her thinking and I'd be taking a very big step back from her.

Readmorebooks40 · 07/12/2024 15:36

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 14:12

I said "no", to which she didn't reply anything at the time but then messaged that, she didn't want to say anything in front of Sophie, but it's making her heart tear as a parent. As much as she'd like to celebrate me, she knows that this would mean missing a bedtime and there's only so many times Sophie will want to be put to bed, you blink and she'll be too old. So yes she will come but will likely be thinking of Sophie most of the time anyway (her words)

The fact she is making you feel guilty and trying to emotionally blackmail you means she's not a good friend. I'd understand a little bit more if she had some kind of post partum anxiety but if she can go out once a month with her husband she can go out for your 30th and be gracious about it. I have 2 kids and I love getting a night out child free. She sounds a bit bonkers and you have been very patient.

JC89 · 07/12/2024 15:37

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 15:14

She says she doesn't like leaving him to "babysit" because he does things differently to her, examples have been that he is more lenient on screen time, he gives Sophie the occasional piece of cake / chocolate if he's having some in front of her, he doesn't seem enthusiastic when he reads books and that at bedtime Sophie just prefers mummy.
We've been at an event together a few months ago for one of our mutual friends, the husband offered to take Sophie outside and entertain her for a couple of hours whilst we hang out, mum said no.

I find this really sad, Dad is missing out on a relationship with his child and Sophie is missing out on time with her Dad.

Terrribletwos · 07/12/2024 15:38

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 15:14

She says she doesn't like leaving him to "babysit" because he does things differently to her, examples have been that he is more lenient on screen time, he gives Sophie the occasional piece of cake / chocolate if he's having some in front of her, he doesn't seem enthusiastic when he reads books and that at bedtime Sophie just prefers mummy.
We've been at an event together a few months ago for one of our mutual friends, the husband offered to take Sophie outside and entertain her for a couple of hours whilst we hang out, mum said no.

Mum sounds a lot obsessed with her child and how things should be done and also completely attached to the child as to be unhealthy.

LostittoBostik · 07/12/2024 15:39

"I don't want to miss her childhood because of brunch"?

I wouldn't want to continue a friendship with someone who had become so tedious.

Of course YANBU.

LostittoBostik · 07/12/2024 15:41

This update shocked me: "So yes she will come but will likely be thinking of Sophie most of the time anyway (her words)"

I would remove the invite for that tbh. She's horribly self obsessed.

Fundays12 · 07/12/2024 15:41

As a mum of 3 I don't think your being unreasonable. No way would I even consider entertaining a toddler coming to a 30th adult birthday party. This is an exclusive adult even and kids will ruin it. Honestly I would pull back from this friendship. The mum is going to a nightmare with her whole my toddler is my "bestie" nonsense and her insistence on having her child at everything. This will only get worse not better.

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 07/12/2024 15:41

day time meet ups ok. You bring your kids, she can bring hers.

a nice dinner out with friends in the evening? No, having a 2 year old there will def change the vibe and probably spoil it. She sounds like a bore. Just tell her that on this occasion it’s adults only as it’s not a kid friendly venue.

ceallachmint · 07/12/2024 15:44

I always find this type of mother someone who is trying to prove how great a mother she is tonsome extent or has underlying insecurities about what motherhood should look like.
Having two of ur own surely she can understand u would like some child free time together? Or is she one of these mothers who feels her child is so special she's an exception and that you'd absolutely love to spend time with just her child? (I know this type myself)
You are not being unreasonable in the slightest, she is, and if she brought her toddler to my birthday dinner when I'd specifically said no and my own children weren't in attendance I'd have to put my foot down and have a stern word with her.

nearlyfreefromnappies · 07/12/2024 15:46

Gosh how suffocating. Definitely reasonable to say no to the dinner. Personally after her response I would say " Please don't feel pressure to come if you'd rather be with Sophie for bedtime. Maybe we can catch up in the new year one evening when she's already been put down."
I would also cool the friendship until she'd ready to surface without Sophie. But that's as a parent of four. I value my child free time so much. So maybe for future meet ups suggest places that are clearly inappropriate for a toddler. And when she declines, repeat the "never mind, maybe when Sophie can be left" etc. YADNBU.

GivingitToGod · 07/12/2024 15:47

harrietmg · 07/12/2024 15:14

She says she doesn't like leaving him to "babysit" because he does things differently to her, examples have been that he is more lenient on screen time, he gives Sophie the occasional piece of cake / chocolate if he's having some in front of her, he doesn't seem enthusiastic when he reads books and that at bedtime Sophie just prefers mummy.
We've been at an event together a few months ago for one of our mutual friends, the husband offered to take Sophie outside and entertain her for a couple of hours whilst we hang out, mum said no.

She sounds completely obsessed and OTT