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...to report a manager for sleeping with someone on his team?

253 replies

OutofIdeas86 · 07/12/2024 10:44

A male colleague recently received a significant, and IMO, undeserved promotion.
For context, I work in the beer industry and around 90% of all staff are male.
99% of all leaders are male.

This colleague, with no managerial experience, no has a large team of about 10 people covering large area of UK.

I spotted during an event on his first week, he seemed very 'close' to a female sales person, who has recently moved in the UK, and reports into him.

I've since found out they are sleeping together.

It's totally inappropriate, immature and an abuse of power - his is older than her, and her manager.

Shall I report it on whistleblowing number?

OP posts:
SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 07/12/2024 13:27

Interestedinapathy · 07/12/2024 13:11

That is not true. Whistleblowing within the workplace can be for any concern you would like to report whether anonymously or not. Firms will generally have an external helpline that then feeds back into the firm or you contact protect-advice.org.uk/contact-us/

But what they wrote about public interest is 100% true insofar as eligibility for whistleblower protection. The “any concern” is to encourage reporting even if the concern doesn’t qualify as whistleblowing.

WaylandNewt · 07/12/2024 13:27

EnidSpyton · 07/12/2024 12:22

I would.

In a previous job a manager in another team was having an affair with his direct report who was 20 years younger than him (he was married). She was very inexperienced and the most junior member of the team. When a vacancy came up in the team, she was surprisingly promoted to a much more senior role over other people who were more qualified and experienced than her. This caused a lot of upset as the more experienced people in the team who went for the internal promotion and didn't get it over her couldn't understand why they had missed out. So, when the pair of them were caught a couple of weeks later kissing in a pub after work by someone in another team, HR came down on them like a ton of bricks. She ended up leaving and he was given a formal warning.

People having relationships with direct reports doesn't just affect them, it affects their whole team. In the interests of fairness and transparency, relationships like that should be declared.

on the flip side, take out the relationship or affair issue, and then instead have a eg they get on better with x person as a friend and then get promoted would the team still feel the same way etc, so sometimes even logically is not always the reason for a promotion etc, as sometimes its better the people you know or are better friends with that can also influence promotional aspects

GG1986 · 07/12/2024 13:28

Nope I wouldn't report it, it will probably just end up going against you tbh. Higher management probably know anyway or will find out at some point. I wouldn't want to be the one to tell them.

luckylavender · 07/12/2024 13:30

@OutofIdeas86 I think you need to look up what whistleblowing means. This is not it.

AgnesX · 07/12/2024 13:31

I really don't think his promotion has anything to do with you whatsoever and you come across as as being quite po faced about it. If he's hopeless he'll be found out soon enough.

As for their relationship unless your company has a no personal relationship policy I suggest that again you stay well away from it. It'll come to light soon enough.

Just btw, get on with your job and stay out of other people's business unless it has a direct impact on you and your own teams.

LBFseBrom · 07/12/2024 13:32

You say he is older than her but I doubt she is a teenager, probably a grown woman and not totally inexperienced with men.

If that is the case, mind your own business. Only report someone if you suspect abuse and it must be fairly strong suspicion.

You are obviously resentful of this man and resentment isn't an attractive quality. Get over it.

The other thing you could do would look for another job where your skill and experience will be more appreciated.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 07/12/2024 13:34

AbigailsPartyFrock · 07/12/2024 11:01

What makes you think this falls under whistleblowing?

Clearly it's not whistle blowing territory - I guess OP doesn't want to 'own' her tittle tattle telling tales in her own name

Katbum · 07/12/2024 13:41

I can see why you are annoyed but the fact t of the matter is you are the person most likely to have the punishment if you report this. Let it go.

Riapia · 07/12/2024 13:42

Of course you should report it.
They are obviously enjoying each other’s company. This needs putting a stop to. Their happiness is causing you distress.
😉😁😁.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 07/12/2024 13:45

EnidSpyton · 07/12/2024 12:22

I would.

In a previous job a manager in another team was having an affair with his direct report who was 20 years younger than him (he was married). She was very inexperienced and the most junior member of the team. When a vacancy came up in the team, she was surprisingly promoted to a much more senior role over other people who were more qualified and experienced than her. This caused a lot of upset as the more experienced people in the team who went for the internal promotion and didn't get it over her couldn't understand why they had missed out. So, when the pair of them were caught a couple of weeks later kissing in a pub after work by someone in another team, HR came down on them like a ton of bricks. She ended up leaving and he was given a formal warning.

People having relationships with direct reports doesn't just affect them, it affects their whole team. In the interests of fairness and transparency, relationships like that should be declared.

But this is a different scenario to the scenario outlined by OP

JasmineFontana · 07/12/2024 13:55

So he did you a favour by alerting you to an empty room and you’ve decided that’s the final piece of your puzzle for reporting him?

I assume you didn’t use the room, in order to maintain a hard stance against such debauchery? 🙄

I really hate how much people love reporting each other for absolute rubbish in this country.

Newbynewbynew · 07/12/2024 14:03

It's none of your business and most companies don't give a shit about colleagues dating anymore, if anything I'd say its pretty common place!

Interestedinapathy · 07/12/2024 14:03

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 07/12/2024 13:27

But what they wrote about public interest is 100% true insofar as eligibility for whistleblower protection. The “any concern” is to encourage reporting even if the concern doesn’t qualify as whistleblowing.

Edited

You are wrong. I have it in my private sector company. It can used for reporting any concern. I have personal experience of this. It’s to protect the employee from retaliation while raising a concern whether that be in the public interest or not. **adding although you are correct not every concern raised qualifies as whistleblowing.

Mickey79 · 07/12/2024 14:04

No. It sounds like you’re angry/ jealous of his promotion more than anything else.
His private life is his business - nothing you’ve posted suggests that his relationship is negatively impacting the business or other staff. This will end badly for you if you involve yourself.

EmmerdaleFan78 · 07/12/2024 14:04

YABU. It’s really annoying but it happens 🤷‍♀️ DH really wanted a particular post and it never even went on the jobs board! It was empty for ages and just like that, a contractor turned up to do the role. Always seems to happen in the Civil Service.

Interestedinapathy · 07/12/2024 14:06

You may prefer to raise as a grievance instead.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 07/12/2024 14:11

Disturbia81 · 07/12/2024 12:48

Any man who goes for younger women is absolutely fucking grim. Abuse of power or not. I would whistleblow

All we know is her is older. Don't think OP is suggesting it is a huge age disparity (otherwise she would doubtless have gone out about that too). I rarely find consensual relationships between two adults ''absolutely fucking grim". A bit of an over reaction!

Interestedinapathy · 07/12/2024 14:11

One of the criteria that protect list is it must affect others just not yourself which is not limited to public interest.

Ariela · 07/12/2024 14:17

Does he, for example, sign off the expenses, hours, or allocate bonus of the individual he is sleeping with?

If so it is worth reporting as that relationship is not in the interests of the company.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 07/12/2024 14:34

Interestedinapathy · 07/12/2024 14:03

You are wrong. I have it in my private sector company. It can used for reporting any concern. I have personal experience of this. It’s to protect the employee from retaliation while raising a concern whether that be in the public interest or not. **adding although you are correct not every concern raised qualifies as whistleblowing.

Edited

I have personal experience too, and if the concern reported doesn’t qualify as whistleblowing, then it also doesn’t qualify for the whistleblower protections.
Companies can act with impunity against a reporter whose concern doesn’t qualify as whistleblowing. They are not entitled to any of the legal protections against retaliation that a whistleblower has.

Proceed with caution.

Ooral · 07/12/2024 14:35

I can smell the jealousy, not sure if it's for the promotion or the heave-ho, calm down Karen.

JFDIYOLO · 07/12/2024 14:37

MYOB

Sunshine1500 · 07/12/2024 14:47

If you don’t like what’s happening within your industry leave. I wouldn’t care about two people I work with having a relationship, in fact if they were happy, id be happy for them.

uptheculdesac · 07/12/2024 14:58

@OutofIdeas86
You are coming across as the one with the problem.

I just thought it was gross and it pisses me off my company is paying for them to have sex in hotels.
The company is paying for their staff to stay in hotels. What the staff do in those rooms as long as not breaking company policy is precisely zero to do with you. You sound completely deranged with venom

Disturbia81 · 07/12/2024 15:00

@MyrtlethePurpleTurtle She did say she was much younger.