Reform and abortion

[Craftymam]

Just a public service announcement as I missed this last week and find it quite shocking that coverage was so low.

Nigel Farage has said he wants to ‘open a new discussion’ on abortion rights.

Considering everything that’s gone on in America, the rise in popularity of reform and this alleged 100 Million donation from Elon musk; I felt I had to bring this to everyone’s attention.

Why is wanting to have a discussion?! He’s male so literallly nothing to do with him

Suggests where his funding is coming from...

Yeah, there’s a lot of crossover with him and the Wotsit

Well there probably should be a discussion on abortion, like how it should be easier to access and should be available at any point during pregnancy up to the birth. The laws we have at the moment are over fifty years old, they need updating. The 24 week limit is way too early and it shouldn't need the consent of two doctors, if the mother wants one that should be the end of the discussion.

You think a woman should be able to terminate a healthy pregnancy at term?

There are almost no jurisdictions in the world where that is legal.

I suspect the OP is right - it will be about banning abortion not general reform or improvement

by calling it discussion he leaves it ambiguous and hopes to fool people to go along with him - once you have started supporting something it can be hard to change your mind even if you didn't realise what you had signed up too

Gives him deniability doesn't it.

Reform say they're all about personal freedom and rolling back the Nanny State, until it affects women.

I am staunchly pro abortion, but access right up to the birth is a madness! I couldn't condone that.

The agenda is very clear: the far right is anti-immigration and birthrates are falling. So, ban abortion. Make contraception harder to access. Promote misogyny and demonise feminism. Effectively ban women from working (as childcare is already prohibitively expensive and ever harder to access, mothers are already squeezed out of the workplace). Welcome to Gilead folks.

I do think your onto something there @SunshineOceanAndOranges

For them I think they see it as essential to stop the halt of 'white' birth rates lowering.

With the news a few days ago about the top name being Muhammad etc.

I think they see this as a card to play in their race/ culture war - for want of a better phrase.

Basically fuck that. This is a hill I'm willing to die on.

What if it's born alive and doesn't die after delivery? Euthanasia? Starvation? Stick it outside in the cold weather? I really hope we don't get to this point.

Next stop, Afghanistan methods of women and birthrate control.

I'm not on board with a termination until term, I'll have to hand in my pro-choice badge if that's the bar now.

I firmly believe women have the right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy should they wish, however I also believe that actually the limit should be lowered as babies survive now at 24 weeks. To me once that baby can survive outside the womb, then you should not be able to kill it because you don’t want it

He’s so fucking predictable. Odious bastard. I think as you say OP, it’s something he would be willing to use in his culture war and as someone else said upthread, his funding is probably coming from the same evangelical nutcases that Trump is getting money from. Or he’s hoping to suck up to them.

There needs to a better push back against Farage and his way of thinking. I don’t mean banning him from platforms or ignoring him and hoping he goes away, I mean debating him more effectively, proving him wrong every single time, showing him up to be a really terrible option to get behind. He’s not going anywhere any time soon. He’s the ultimate shit that won’t flush.

I've got no idea why anyone listens to anything Farage says. It doesn't matter what he says. His only positive is that he splits the Tory vote.

I'm happy with the law as it currently stands.

It's a good compromise. No doctor is going to want to take a less than 24 week baby out and see if they can survive or not. There's a big gulf between alive and dead and currently medical science is not at a stage where they can continue to grow babe in a pod. So that's not even up for debate to me at this stage. Because it doesn't happen.

90% of abortions are before 10 weeks. The remaining majority shortly after (likely due to delays to accessing services/ receiving treatment/ getting counselling).

Very few baby's are being aborted at 24 weeks and near none for no reason.

I don't think it is a discussion that should be reopened because it's not a moral, state, religious or any other framed question to me.

This is a healthcare service and should be between a woman and her doctors.

Posts and ideas like Dotjones will be how public will be swayed for ban IF it ever comes to it.
I am pro choice up to viability as far as I am aware so are absolute most people I know. Promoting FT abortion will get everyone's back up and will resuly in backlash and pushback even on what we have now

I do think it's an odd choice for Farage to say he wants to open a discussion on this when I don't see that there's any public appetite for this. I'm not sure what the angle is?

But we do have fully fledged pro-life MPs, like Farron, who seem to fly under the radar without this level of upset.

I would just ignore it.

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Yes, I think that when you keep upping the expectation of who counts as pro choice that you will lose people along the way. I see it as a fairly settled issue, it works well mostly, I don't see any good reason to rock the boat.

Because he's a bloody political leader therefore it's a lot to do with him. Do you really believe only female politicians can discuss "women's issues"? Because if that happened, well if politics is in a parlous state now, it would be a hell of a lot worse then!