Reform and abortion

[Craftymam]

Just a public service announcement as I missed this last week and find it quite shocking that coverage was so low.

Nigel Farage has said he wants to ‘open a new discussion’ on abortion rights.

Considering everything that’s gone on in America, the rise in popularity of reform and this alleged 100 Million donation from Elon musk; I felt I had to bring this to everyone’s attention.

He is a man so if there to be any conversation he can fuck the fuck off as it's fuck all to do with him

#MyBodyMyChoice

All you need to understand is that he will say whatever it takes to get headlines. If you think anything other than that, unfortunately you're very susceptible to being manipulated by people like this and should start questioning that a little more.

Nigel Farge doesn't give two shiny shits about any policies he puts forward, it's all about attention-seeking.

I thought it sounded reasonable too. I was hoping someone would come along and tell me what’s so unreasonable about it 🤷‍♀️
And thank you, I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who didn’t think it unreasonable 👍

I agree with this. Men shirking their responsibilities should come with far higher penalties.

The same could be said for anyone who still believes what Starmer says too.

I agree. I'm not in favour of abortion. I wouldn't like it banned but would like the limit lowered except in the case of very serious circumstances.

Wrong quote. Sorry.

Anyone who gets into politics has a power addiction, that is fundamentally the reason why the people who would make the best decisions are never found in that space.

I do understand this. I'm suggesting you look further to investigate why these statements prove popular with many people.

Because when Farage debates, things happen. Just take Brexit.

He's also a very modest man. He never once has claimed any credit for all of the good things that Brexit has brought us.

I wonder if people like dot jones think the 24 week limit is absolute?

24 weeks is choice. After that termination is still done for risk to maternal/foetal health.

with advances in medical technology I could be persuaded that the line should be moved to 22 weeks.

Well said, OP.

A late termination for medical reasons is a hugely difficult situation I would never judge. Otherwise, I think a viable fetus does have have rights and if these are at odds with a woman’s the state must balance them carefully. The current laws do a pretty good job at the moment.

You think a woman should be able to terminate a healthy pregnancy at term?

Yes.

There are almost no jurisdictions in the world where that is legal.

So what? That's piss poor argument for any discussion

The people who make the decisions don’t seem to live in the real world either 🤷‍♀️

@Craftymam When posting maybe you should actually post the whole quote and context.

Responding to questions about the assisted dying bill, which he will vote against, Farage said parliament should be allowed more time “to debate things that people at home talk about”.
“Is 24 weeks right for abortion given that we now save babies at 22?” he said. “That to me would be worthy of a debate in parliament but should that be along party lines? I don’t think so.”

NEWSFLASH~ Nigel farage an elected politician has an opinion and suggested it may be worth a debate! 🙄

Go Nigel

Why is everyone assuming he has ill intention without knowing the full story?!

That's because there are no good things that came from Brexit.

Agreed. Its just a thread to put Reform down as a party and to start calling their supporters derogatory names.

Because they're also susceptible to this kind of brain washing and easily manipulated. They are typically less educated white men with a sense of entitlement who want to blame the mysterious "them" instead of taking personal responsibility for their lives. They don't actually care who they blame, as long as it gives them a reason not to blame themselves. They get a kick out of controlling women because it makes them feel like they have a sense of power rather than facing the reality of being woefully inadequate.

Harden your heart indeed.

Why not immediately after birth then?

When Farage grows some ovaries, I'll listen to him.

NO MALE should have a say over this.

My DM is a devout Christian who tentatively believed in the right to choose and saw abortion rights as a necessary means to prevent back street abortion. She has now been brainwashed by the American right who are pushing the belief that abortions are happening right up to birth. She also believes the Deemocrats are pushing for post birth abortion! it’s all Right wing propaganda to change the beliefs of those who aren’t 100% supportive of abortion rights. I doubt any country would ever legalise abortion up to birth. We should all be careful what we read and not fall for propaganda!

Is being a cunt enough ?

There is only a few MPs at most who would support restrictions on abortion other than maybe changing from 24 to 22 weeks. I'd guess that public opinion is very different from the U.S on this too.

It's shocking the number of women willing to remove choices for other women, just because it's not something they would want to do themselves.

Thankfully I am close to menopause, I'll be so relieved if I'd never need an abortion in the first place. Also really glad I never had children, because if I had girls it would break my heart to see what world they have to grow up in.

And make no mistakes about it. Musk is a pro natalist, because he needs more cannon fodder for his shitty factories. Of course he would fund politicians like Trump and Farage. Who is he going to exploit if people actually had the choice of getting a job with a living wage over the poverty salaries he is paying his workers.