Reform and abortion

[Craftymam]

Just a public service announcement as I missed this last week and find it quite shocking that coverage was so low.

Nigel Farage has said he wants to ‘open a new discussion’ on abortion rights.

Considering everything that’s gone on in America, the rise in popularity of reform and this alleged 100 Million donation from Elon musk; I felt I had to bring this to everyone’s attention.

Blimey. You sound like a bunch of conspiracy theorists. It’s NF wanting to control women, it’s the white uneducated people who are at fault. Nothings been good since Brexit.
NF made a statement that maybe it should called for discussion. There are many people, women I would assume, that have different opinions on the subject. So maybe he was correct saying it’s a discussion worth having, just not along party lines.
If you want a thread bashing Reform and its voters, have the balls to start it, without having to disguise it with a statement made by a politician you hate, out of context.

Yes that diffrent sytuation

So what do you think Nige's motivation is for calling for this discussion?

This frightens me that you think this way.

24 weeks far too early?

We live in such an utterly disposable society

Reminder to everyone there's a Petitions board, with a petition to decriminalise abortion.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard

I agree too 100%

Quite, especially as it appears his new Best Bro Elon may be in favour of reducing women's reproductive rights

24 weeks old pregnancy is for me far to late for abortion it had nervous system heart beats and does feel pain for sure. Is different if women life is at risk for example but I sure those kind a women not talk about abortion easly because for them is hard to make decision

I hadn't seen that, thank you. And signed.

Well, at least you are now honest with your opinion, rather than trying to trick someone into saying something you can rip out of context for your own political arguments.

The truth is I feel sorry for you that you seem to value you own life and body so little that you want to force other woman to suffer as you claim you would in their shoes.

However, regardless of the law, it will never be your decision and it certainly is none of your business what other people choose to do with their bodies. It hasn't even got anything to do with you. So maybe, just mind your own business.

Because he is emboldened by his previous success and Americas recent rejection of hyperliberalism. People are looking for a opportunity to put their thumb on scales back in favour of sanity. They've encountered too many sincere liberal extremists and they're frightened by the fact that that is the way the wind is blowing.

Actually, a fair few Conservative MPs in this g.e. lost their seats were pro-life, Rees-Mog, Miriam Cates, Liam Fox, Fiona Bruce - maybe this is a fishing expedition?

I don't see it. Why would a populist put his neck on the line for a profoundly unpopular opinion?

You don't understand. I said I am aganist abortion ,but then I add that everyone have free choice. So even I aganist abortion and will never do abortion by myself you all women are free to choice what you gonna do with all your own bodies with all the consequences. I am not on any political party

If reform win with a large majority in parliament and run a two line whip successfully then yes they could do anything they want.

Voters may or may not know about this risk to abortion rights and I am bringing it up so people are aware and can judge for themselves how much of a risk they think that is.

For me it’s too big of a risk. It’s a redline for me. I will never vote for a party who’s proposing this. I’m a firm believer that when someone is trying to show you who they are that you should listen. I have listened. I don’t like it. So I’m sharing. And when someone tells me they are going to vote reform this is the first thing I’m going to say to them with very stern eyebrows. Then atleast they can be informed in their decision making.

What this has to do with North Korea I have no idea. You’re being ridiculous quite frankly.

Farage can fuck off with his misogyny. It is no more welcome than his racism.

Murder and abortion are words. They indicate a moral status. Same as killing, executing, terminating, dispatching, euthanising. There are moral implications with the words we choose. A sperm donor is technically a father... but we wouldn't use those words. You see the point I'm making? Which is actually for the benefit of other users, because we both know you know that when called upon to explain the difference in moral standing that the 40wk "parasitic cluster of cells" has compared to the "newborn baby" 20 mins after it has passed through the birth canal - you can't.

@Julia34 That makes no sense. You are either for it or against it. There is no half way. You can be for it and not wanting to have it yourself and that would be fine, but being against abortion means that you take away other's women's options

Nail on the head, and very concerning.

Exactly. Grandma's who might have daughters or granddaughters of their own who may be affected by a change in the law.

i am with u

So what?
I read the headline and thought no more of it. It's only Farage desperate for a headline.
Stop giving the bastard publicity OP. That's exactly what he's after.

Sorry but I don't see your point. You appear to be arguing symantics over words we clearly know the meaning of. Are you just trying to derail the thread?

He didn’t call for it. He said it’d be a worthy discussion whilst talking about him voting against assisted dying

This is a case of miscommunication.
Saying "I am against abortion" means you don't want anyone to have it. Rather say clearly "I would not have one, but that does nkt mean others should have the freedlm to choose"