Hoping that Greg Wallace is forgiven, rather than cancelled

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Just a few concerns about this whole GW thing. Caveat: I do not condone behaviour that is illegal.

1. It does kind of look like a whole bunch of privileged TV luvvies are clamouring to denounce someone with really quite humble roots. I grew up in London and am constantly paranoid about how I come across to my mainly middle class colleagues. The thing is, middle class and privileged people operate by a set of unwritten rules. It’s like a full time job in itself trying to emulate their way of interacting, lest you be called out for not being ‘nice’ enough or doing something odd to them, like forgetting to start an email with ‘Hope you are well?’. Only, they won’t let you know to your face that you’ve accidentally been too sharp or direct, or maybe that your joke wasn’t woke enough - no, that stuff just goes straight to HR.
2. The equality act 2010 makes it the employer’s responsibility to prevent sexual harassment in the workplace. Why wasn’t all this lewd stuff dealt with? GW said that no one had made a formal complaint. Again, it makes me wonder whether the middle class luvvies just didn’t want to call things out at the time because it’s ‘beneath’ them to even consider doing something about it.
3. Even though he’s apologised, the public doesn’t think that’s good enough. It’s like only perfect people get to keep their careers. Woe betide you if you said something crass on twitter 10 years ago, or got caught speeding or something.

Of course, lots of you would want to shout me down over this, but you know what? We’re all mums here and many of us have sons. Boys and young men do and say crass things. GW hasn’t raped or systematically abused anyone. It doesn’t make what’s happened right, but I also don’t think it’s right that swarms of pitch-fork waving strangers get to play judge, jury and executioner. I’m a big fan of forgiveness. Am I the only one?

@FuckItItsFine even when it's too late their will still be voices saying "well she shouldn't have been there/worn that outfit/laughed at his jokes previously" you name it they will still find a way to excuse.

Sigh, yes. My heart breaks for each and every woman coming forward. It’s disgusting what they’ve been through. God knows what kind of ignorant comments they will all be getting on social media and possibly in real life.

I know what I've heard privately about the industry. It makes my skin crawl.
This is a much bigger deal than a lot of people want to admit.

Do you think the genie is very, very slowly starting to come out of the bottle now @RedToothBrush ? I'm hoping that the more of these that are being revealed (and we all know there will be more next year and onwards) the pressure is ramping up on the channels and production companies. Making it harder for them to shrug and look away like they have for years. The volume of outrage to the middle aged woman jibe possibly gave them a jolt too.

Gregg Wallace’s mum?

Where, the OP? Probably not. Loadsa women seem determined to defend him.

I hope to god this is the catalyst to improve things in this industry (and others).

However, I am so depressed to see so many women defending this behaviour

I’ve just watched Shannon Kyle’s Newsnight interview. It’s a really tough watch, nobody could doubt the allegations after watching it.

It just gets worse and worse, these stories are awful. I can't believe it's only coming out now. Revolting to hear about.

Cart before horse………we don’t know the allegations nor the details of the investigation. Therefore, we cannot even begin to look at the outcome

@solvendie what do you mean we don’t know the allegations?

Neil Gaiman tried to use his autism as an excuse too.

as someone autistic, that makes me so angry. it doesn't make you a bad person.

Of course we know the allegations. They’re all over mainstream and social media.

I also just watched the Newsnight interview. Shannon Kyle is quite obviously telling the truth. She even has texts that she sent to her friend at the time about the things he said and did. The disgusting things.

Shannon is incredibly brave to speak out. She said that she refuses to continue to feel any shame about these things any more. She is turning that shame back onto Greg, the person who should be ashamed in the situation. And to do this, she is making the details public.

Thus old article retrospectively makes for very disturbing reading:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2226311/Gregg-Wallaces-new-autobiography-tells-abused-neglected-child-millionaire.html

The journalist does her best to paint him like a pervert. Nobody seems to have picked up on it.

John Torode must surely have known what Gregg was like.

I watched Shannon’s new night interview too. It made my stomach churn.

Shes a very credible witness/victim and very brave. It’s worth a watch if you can stomach it.

I thought JT statement was a bit dismissive as a pp said.

That interview is dreadful.
He wants his children to have “loads of sex”???
What a weird thing to say. And at the time of writing it said he had a nanny for his kids. What sort of parent has that as a dream for their young children? The whole article made me want to 🤮

He has made it clear before they are not friends simply people who happen to work together and if you look at some interactions on the show he doesn't seem to like him much

But the paragraph about his mum might partly explain the middle class women of a certain age comment?

He's always been a smarmy dirty git. It's known for so long that News Of The World outed him for loving a bit of prostitute spanking etc (fine, consenting adults but the vision never left me!)

He left one of his wives with his adult child from a previous relationship when he moved on with his next Twitter wife.

Jon Torrode distanced himself years ago.

It's not just cockney lad barrow boy giving a cheeky wink, it's been physical and intimidating.

I really hope so.

I reflect on where a lot of the women coming forward are in their lives. They mainly seem to be in their 40s and 50s.

That generally makes them at the point where they have perhaps older children / young adults and are more financially secure and able to do this.

And they don't want the same to continue for their kids.

With the Strictly stuff over the summer, Huw Edwards, Phil Schofield, Russell Brand and the Jenas issue in fairly quick succession I do think it's quietly ruffled feathers and made women talk amongst themselves about what their experiences have been and crucially that 'who to avoid' topic.

Certainly I've talked about the subject with a couple of my friends. They've found it hard because they have known people caught up in previous stuff all already or have crossed paths with the individuals concerned. And there's always that worry about what friends aren't telling you.

But it's the media and fame does funny things to people so I doubt this will provide a solution.

My worry is people will go after the BBC itself for it. That doesn't solve the problem. If anything it would make it easier in the future because at least the BBC have a degree of accountability that wouldn't exist for perhaps an Amazon or Netflix production. That's not going to improve the situation for women in the industry.

The worst thing is I just don't believe Wallace will turn out to be the last. If it's taken this long for it to come out about him, I just don't believe we won't hear other names in time. Ive no idea who they might be but I just don't think it's over.

Louise Minchin did an article yesterday - I think it was for the Mail, that said as much and how rife and widespread the problem was in the industry.

The more people talk about this though, the better it is over all, as it becomes less taboo and there's less space for these men to hide.

More likely he knows exactly who he's targeted and therefore exactly who is going to come after him.

There's only one person who knows just how far he's gone and with how many women.

OP only posted the one post - the OP 🤣

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Oh I don't know...This is part of an article posted by @RedToothBrush yesterday,

There were instances where I was on camera being spoken to and they were both standing behind the camera, gesturing that they were both masturbating and it wasn’t just Gregg it was John too and everyone in the production team was laughing and joking with them.