Hoping that Greg Wallace is forgiven, rather than cancelled

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Just a few concerns about this whole GW thing. Caveat: I do not condone behaviour that is illegal.

1. It does kind of look like a whole bunch of privileged TV luvvies are clamouring to denounce someone with really quite humble roots. I grew up in London and am constantly paranoid about how I come across to my mainly middle class colleagues. The thing is, middle class and privileged people operate by a set of unwritten rules. It’s like a full time job in itself trying to emulate their way of interacting, lest you be called out for not being ‘nice’ enough or doing something odd to them, like forgetting to start an email with ‘Hope you are well?’. Only, they won’t let you know to your face that you’ve accidentally been too sharp or direct, or maybe that your joke wasn’t woke enough - no, that stuff just goes straight to HR.
2. The equality act 2010 makes it the employer’s responsibility to prevent sexual harassment in the workplace. Why wasn’t all this lewd stuff dealt with? GW said that no one had made a formal complaint. Again, it makes me wonder whether the middle class luvvies just didn’t want to call things out at the time because it’s ‘beneath’ them to even consider doing something about it.
3. Even though he’s apologised, the public doesn’t think that’s good enough. It’s like only perfect people get to keep their careers. Woe betide you if you said something crass on twitter 10 years ago, or got caught speeding or something.

Of course, lots of you would want to shout me down over this, but you know what? We’re all mums here and many of us have sons. Boys and young men do and say crass things. GW hasn’t raped or systematically abused anyone. It doesn’t make what’s happened right, but I also don’t think it’s right that swarms of pitch-fork waving strangers get to play judge, jury and executioner. I’m a big fan of forgiveness. Am I the only one?

If it takes pitchforks to drive these arrogant, entitled shits out of our workplaces then I’m ordering in bulk and passing them around. No class test to have one, toilet or loo, napkin or serviette, crayfish tails or fish fingers, help yourself.

Sure, Greg(g)

I think that his behaviour goes deeper than simply being crass.

There is footage of him really pushing innuendo etc with women on TV, they are visibly uncomfortable and he is enjoying their discomfort. The comments he made about a lesbian woman’s sex life… and the comment about someone’s dish tasting like ‘his aunts cunt’ - I mean - this is all disgusting.

I think the ‘no one complained’ excuse is a poor one. Women did complain and were reminded they were under contract to appear as contestants in Masterchef. The power dynamic was completely off as well - he was/is a big name talent for the BBC. Would anyone have believed a woman who complained? No, because they did complain and were ignored.

if rape or systematic abuse is the benchmark then it’s a poor indicator acceptable behaviour from men. That includes my dad, my husband and yes, your sons. We need to be talking to them, showing them what he did and saying ‘this is a disgusting example of male behaviour, - we all know that women generally do not behave like this. They just don’t, and I never want to hear of you doing the same.’

Do you think he's going to change?
Do you think he's capable of identifying and maintaining appropriate boundaries? - stepping into a lift and promptly announcing the sex act you performed on your wife that morning in the presence of women you've never met before is not normal. And that's before you factor in inappropriate touching of women and exposing himself to them.

I've never liked him, and don't watch anything he's on. He's never come across as sincere, and I've never really understood why he's ended up hosting half the shows he does because he's never come across as someone suited to them.

Calling bullshit because you only gave Greggggggggggggggggg one g at the end of Greggggggggggg so you cannot be on his side. 😂

Is this post doing the rounds on Facebook? I can imagine it. 'Repost this if you're the mother of a son and care about their future' with the crying emoji.

Raise better boys.

The equality act 2010 makes it the employer’s responsibility to prevent sexual harassment in the workplace. Why wasn’t all this lewd stuff dealt with? GW said that no one had made a formal complaint.

This would seem to be untrue, given that it's public that he was spoken to about his behaviour at least once, as well as dropped from at least one presenting job. There definitely remains a question of why he was used as a presenter for so long while complaints continued to be made.

Whatever class you are, ‘don’t make sexual comments in the workplace’ is a fairly universal rule to abide by.

OP, you have no clue how bad it was. But it’s depressing how quick you are to assume loads of women were ‘hysterical’ rather than the possibility that he was disgustibg and abused his position to purposefully get off on women’s discomfort. The later is FAR more likely. And you don’t know this person. Why the hell are you defending him!!!

He was paid a fortune for his TV appearances - the least he could have done was behave in a civilised way.

And we are not 'all mums here' - that's an insensitive thing to say.

‘I apologise if I’ve offended anyone’ is not an apology.

Walking around naked with a sock on your knob is not ‘banter’ or ‘crass behaviour’. It is sexual intimidation and harassment.

He absolutely deserves all he is getting.

I pity the women your sons will encounter in the workplace.

Would you want to have a male higher up in your workplace say crass things to you? I highly doubt it. He acted like a pig and in many other jobs someone would get sacked for that behaviour.

You think working class people think sexual harassment is ok?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgj64237v6zo

"He brushed past me at the checkout, and touched my bum with his waist and penis and laughed and said “oooh you liked that didn’t you”," she said.

When she started fastening his bow tie, she says she noticed his trousers were "partially lowered". She did not see how this happened. "His pubic hair was on show, where you can see the top part of his penis, and he was wearing no boxers underneath."

Sarah says they then went into a lift where he pulled her, and other members of his group, into a group hug. "When doing this, he put his hand on my bottom and groped me. It made me feel gross, it was horrible."

You may enjoy that sort of thing OP but it doesn't mean people with higher standards should have to put up with it

I’m not sure you’re aware of the level of some of the stuff he’s alleged to have said. Jackie Kearney claims that she brought in a copy of her book for him and one for John. When she approached Greg, who was surrounded by crew and in the middle of having his makeup redone she said she had something for him. He replied “is it a present for my cock?” I’m sorry but that’s not ‘banter’ that’s not outdated smutty humour that ‘used to be funny’, that’s not ‘oh we’ve all gone woke and snowflakey, lighten up’ … That is absolutely horrendous and would have been horrendous in the 80s/90s etc. who the fuck says that!

Yup..

Point 1 is bollocks. At the date of his offensive non-apology only 1 of the complaints was from Celebrity MC.
I don’t th8n’ you know what you are talking about.

Yabvu .yes many of us have Sons,who we have brought up have respect for women. Someone who worked at my Sons place of work was caught behaving inappropriately. Instant dismissal. What is so special about GW .

We’re all mums here and many of us have sons. Boys and young men do and say crass things.

And we bring up our sons not to behave in the same manner as GW. There are no excuses You need to raise your values.

The thing is, middle class and privileged people operate by a set of unwritten rules. It’s like a full time job in itself trying to emulate their way of interacting, lest you be called out for not being ‘nice’ enough or doing something odd to them, like forgetting to start an email with ‘Hope you are well?’

Oh, don't talk shite. This isn't a class thing, it's a gross, entitled, misogynistic twat thing.

If my son behaved as this man did, I’d cancel him myself. But he wouldn’t because it isn’t normal behaviour.

Hope my children don’t run into your sons one day if this is how you’re raising them.

What do you do for a living OP?

I cannot behave like this at work and haven’t been able to do so for my entire career. I’m 45.

Curious what you do that you’d expect to treat people like this and walk away.

Your sons just need to not be overtly misogynistic at work. Do you really think so little of them that you don’t believe they can manage that? Do you really teach them that the bar for their behaviour is just ‘not raping anyone?’

It seems you must be having truely extraordinary experiences and expectations as both an employee and a parent.